We Americans are not going to stand by and watch America continue to be over-run by people from south of the border. If you want to try and take over this country come here legally and then we'll talk, but until then fed-up white Americans are not going to put up with your BS. Get out while you still can.

Wow,

Not only does your comment reek of racism but you sign off as "beaner burner". Good thing the vast majority of U.S. citizens don't agree with your viewpoint, or your racism, and recognize the need for humane immigration reform.

"bean burner,"

Threats of violence will not make voices of reason go away. We need real immigration reform in this country, not voices of fear and intolerance like Lou Dobbs.

He fans the flames of nativism, even if he himself is perfectly civil and un-racist. He does it to win ratings at a time when hate crimes against latinos are on the rise.

He does it at the expense of truth, saying things like 'immigrants are causing leprosy,' without impunity.

No more!

Thanks for a good post. Both points are correct. Most undoc. folks have committed a misdemeanor by being here, and are very careful to avoid other infractions. I'm more worried about the decrease in safety from having neighbors who spend all their time indoors & don't interact w/ the neighborhood, than I am about criminal activity. And: Even legal migrants are ineligible for public benefits for the first 5 years of residency, except K-12 education and workers' comp. I know, I just did affidavits of support for a couple of family members -- the liability issues are pretty huge.

I also find the "beaner burner" handle threatening. Having opinions is one thing. Threatening physical harm to people of a particular ethnic group is quite another.

Wow. Speaking as a fellow fed up white american --- i take offense at your comment. Do not propose to speak for me or any sort of majority in this country. I'm fed up with the lack of action of our congress to pass real, workable, humane immigration reform. I'm fed up with the fear and terror that are injected into MY community by our federal government. What was once a vibrant community with people out on porches, children playing, small businesses and restaurants -- has become a ghost town. I'm fed up with the rights of immigrants and MY VERY OWN RIGHTS being attacked by people like you who are so rabid and eager for an easy target.

I'd write your name here, but it's too offensive,

I'm an American and I don't share your resentment or anger. I believe the best thing we can do is help others rather than vilify and dehumanize them. It's so nice of you to offer to 'talk' to those that come here legally. Your assertion is that they still may not be good enough for you, but you'll at least give them a 'chance.' How noble of you.

Maybe instead of asking that people leave and trying to provoke arguments you should petition your government to be more responsible and compassionate around the world.

The comments made by the ESL teacher could have been made by me except for the fact that I taught in California. I also lived in immigrant neighborhoods. The hate perpetrated by these groups is real, pervasive and frightening. Last week, when a young boy in Carson California died in a car crash described by the headline as "hellacious", many of the comments submitted to the paper about his death were hateful. He was an animal, one person said, because undocumented people are not human beings. Others expressed similar ideas because of his perceived immigration status. I say perceived because the boy and his family were US citizens. Dobbs, Beck, O'Reilly and others, through their overheated rhetoric in their quest for ratings, not to report news, have created a climate where the expression hate is becoming acceptable. Once humans are demonized and dehumanized, the next step is physical harm. According to hate crime statistics against latinos, we are already there.

Thanks to those of you are using this space for real dialogue!

lou is married to a Mexican American, Debi, wonder what she thinks of how he talks,.............

My opinon; The CAUSE of the current economic issues facing this nation;
1. started during the Clinton administration. Bill had a great idea about allowing everyone to have a "chance" to own a home.
2.Greed took control of our electiced officals thru lobbyist money allowing the exploitation of people and money by allowing loans with no controls. 9-11 happened chipping away at our democracy; then the current war with the Muslim world. The hidden dagger is being pushed in and twisted, we do not even know it is there.
3.Muslim oil producing contries that hate the USA and what we stand for freedom of having choices and a chance to improve our lives in a contry of free people women and menor variuos religions and backgrounds. We pride ourselves in helping others, maybe not as much as they like but we try.
4. The current economic crisis started with the relaxed rules, but "fueled" by the unjustisfied price increase of a barrel of oil. Then when our government made attempts to correct the problem in the finanical markets the oil producers drop the price of oil causing the econoimc woes to start all over again - NO STABILITY, Wall Street is being held up by a thin thread of hope from the US govenment.
5.Shame on all of AMERICANS for allowing this to happen, I see no protests no comments from the liberal media no one with a set of gonads to stand up for what is right. AIG officals just slapped every American and we turned the other cheek and offered them more money, when they should have been removed from their jobs and dealt with in a fairly, not given more money to go out and party with. People are hurting, retired and working, govenment officals having NO KNOWLEDGE of what it costs when going to a grocery store, or day to day expenses of the "average American" making an average wage
6.Politicans only telling us what we want to hear thru rose colored glasses. There will some very tough decisions made with who ever is the next president. We need to stop the economic loss and stop the importing of oil. The alternative fuels as in PICKENS PLAN must start ASAP
7.Vote.. Vote..Vote..every immcubent out of office. We have too many lawyers and not enough businessmen or everyday middleclass citizens making decisions about this country. We need common sense decision making in a big hurry so VOTE !!!

I agree that we do need reform in our immigration policy. First off lets's start with reforming our border and build a fence and then we can let in all the people who WE want through the front door. Immigration means if and when we want you. Try sneaking into Cuba (The Paradise Island).

It is very convenient now for some of us to point fingers at others and accuse them of violating our laws as if any America came to this country legally. When the first American settlers came to this country, did they abide by Native American 'immigration' laws? Did they not swoop on this land illegally and then take it over by force? What moral sanding do the uncle Toms amongst us then have to build fences to keep others out? If we want to confront immigration issue given our own history of how we came to be here, then I suggest we do so in a humane, and responsible way. Threats, spreading lies, smear campaigns, hate mongering, etc is not the way to craft out a fair reform.

I never agree with a viewpoint that expresses hatred towards another group of people. That said, I have never seen Beck, Dobbs or O'Reilly express a racist attitude in these topics. What they are saying is we need to enforce our current laws and encourage people to come here LEGALLY. Everyone who says that is being called an insensitive racist, but the fact is we cannot go on with the lack of immigration enforecement. If you want to welcome more in, then work to reform the laws, but not to ignore them. Lack of enforcement is causing many problems, and it sets a poor precident when you only enforce laws that you like (or enforce laws depending on which approach will get you the most votes later).

This is the United States Of America NOT Berlin. A wall on our borders is plain rediculous. Notice that whenever the idea of a wall, it is one bordering the U.S. and Mexico, and no talk of a wall bordering the U.S. and Canada.

So I guess we should flood our country with a lot of low or under educated immigrants who do not speak English well or at all. Once here and made legal they get to pay taxes on their income. And they can no longer get the cash under the table jobs they like. So now that they are legal they are eligible for food stamps housing, and welfare. So we have a large population of people living on the tax payer dime while sending the cash they make here back to their family in Mexico. "Sweet deal!"

the fact of the matter is this take away everything thats been said and there a job prob. in this country and money and americians need those jobs outsourced labor and ilegalls cause other prob.other than the welfare and sickness there jobs and money going out is greater than the money comeing in i dont have a prob. with people comeing here on the right terms but the wrong ones cause more prob than it is worth basically us first get it the u.s. then them

What is it with white Americans and this sense of entitlement? This is a young nation still forming its identity. I am a 28 year old combat vet and the son of a retired Army officer. My mother came to this country over 35 years ago with my brother in her belly. My family, and many others who were born outside these borders have, EARNED!!! our freedom. This nation was founded by WHITE immigrants who stole the land with lies and the ongoing belief that it was entitled to them. No person in present day America committed those crimes. I believe, given the chance, today's "fed up" white American would do it all over again. I know of no other country filled with people who take from others and claim it was theirs to begin with. These so-called "patriots" many of whom haven't even earned the right to speak of these issues. I say, you leave OUR country, the land my family has defended. Defended from enemies that were coaxed into battle by loud mouth, ignorant freeloaders. You people spew your white christian beliefs onto the world and expect people to take it. You people start wars with forked tongues and a mob mentality of safety. The people that see this land as a new beginning, are the people defending its borders. Your freedoms exist because of the blood and courage of immigrants. Immigrants that don't take liberty for granted. Most of the people that talk about job losses, financial hardship, and increased crime due to illegal aliens always throw in the "white" race card. You idiots need to realize that technology has made the world a much smaller place. Americans seem to be the only country that is too lazy to accommodate or adopt different cultures. It's become a country of lazy and ignorant elitists. If you didn't serve time in the military or furthered the PROGRESS of this nation keep your f!$%cking mouth shut. Half the men in my infantry company were Mexican born and I say they are letting you live here. This nations economic troubles, embarrassing health care system, and steady decline into a second rate country is obviously caused by illegal immigration. Could it be the 4wd truck you couldn't afford but still bought? How about the maxed out credit cards you defaulted on because you thought being white in today's world was money in the bank. That money is my families and other foreigners that understand the value of hard work and saving money. I'll take a foreign worker over an American any day of the week. People think it's because they work for less pay and the truth is they just work harder. They don't complain that they didn't get their cigarette break or some other mandatory policy that is just another get out of doing work ploy. I am the son of a Korean mother and WHITE American father, both of which come from poverty. They earned their station, arising from nothing to a level of success 95% of Americans do not and will not ever reach. I guess if using the Mexicans as excuses to hide the truth of the matter, that truth being you are just a white "American" failure. The greatest contributions to the world didn't come from you spoiled remnants of your immigrant forefathers. They came from people that weren't afraid of you, they persevered. They made themselves valuable to society and not waiting for a handout based on skin color. You people exist because progress needs barriers to destroy to be progress. A day will come when the people in power won't have your white skin, what excuses will you have? I know, the man is keeping you down, right? I hope one day this country can be great, as of today it's filled with soft ass men and women. You people suck.

Dobbs, Beck and O'Reilly, supreme fear mongers and only to lead to cival unrest in the USA.

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I have no comment on the article, because everyone knows that Glenn Beck & his little friends are morons, but I would like to comment on the comments....

First off I would like to ask the insensitive prick that signed his name as "beaner burner" to speak for himself, because I do not share his hateful, white supremecist views. "Get out while you still can" Uhhmmm no thanks, how about you just go....

Second off I want to say that while Brian B's comment was a little spastic, I agree with it for the most part. White people are not entitled to ANYTHING -- get off your high horse. I also liked the part about America still forming it's "identity". It's very true. For some reason America has become synonymous with 'white people', but really what makes America so unique is that it's a melting pot. People from all cultures and religions are able to come over here and find opportunitie and we should embrace the beauty of that, not try to stop it!! Sometimes I don't understand people and the hatred and ignorance that they keep in their hearts....

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Lies? The liberal left wouldn't know a lie if it smacked them in the face. Obama's I barely know reverend Wright, I only live near Ayers, I am not a socialist, I love America. Well I can believe that he loves America for where else can you go from being an Astroturf manufacturer to President in a few short years. Some of us have worked hard all of our lives to achieve what little we have and he wants to take it away in months. Stop calling the right liars until you can demonstrate you know what the word means.

First let me say i respect the military, and the patriotic citizens who have served in it. that being said Brian B is an idiot, the kind of idiot that is very popular on these boards.

Now, Brian B's comments would make me laugh if they weren't so sad..and representative of the education that most of the kids in this country are getting. It's even more sad that he is ex-military with these delusional ideas..but..that's the kind of military we will see more and more of it looks like. so here we go:

"I know of no other country filled with people who take from others and claim it was theirs to begin with."

Umm, if you look at world history, you'd see a pattern of civilizations over running others, the american example is far from unique. For that matter displacement is still taking place all over the world today. Africa still hasn't sorted itself out. Latin American history is no different. Mexico only possessed the southwest united states for 12 years having "stolen" it from Spain. The US has had it for over 150 after defeating the Mexicans and then PAYING the Mexican government for it! so who has the greater claim? Europe has settled down for the most part, but is struggling mightily to deal with the influx of immigrants from africa and islamic countries. so they have begun to put the clamps down on it pretty tightly. they just upped the prison sentence for illegals, passing laws against aiding illegals, etc.

"The people that see this land as a new beginning, are the people defending its borders."

I see very little defending of the borders. when you were in the military whose boarders were you defending? i see a lot of border defending going on in iraq and afghanistan and we do an awesome job of defending your ancestral home of south/north korea's border. those wow..know one gets through that one but our southern border? give me a break..you make me laugh.

"If you didn't serve time in the military or furthered the PROGRESS of this nation keep your f!$%cking mouth shut."

my refuting your idiotic statements then qualify as furthering the progress. the beliefs you spew pretty negate your contributions.

"Americans seem to be the only country that is too lazy to accommodate or adopt different cultures."

ignorant statement. yeah, korean society is way more diverse than american. right. but sure, being the most advanced culture for the past few centuries makes one reluctant to just wily-nilly adopt foreign cultural beliefs or practices. so what.

"They made themselves valuable to society and not waiting for a handout based on skin color."

yeah, last time i checked, "white" people are the only people in this country who are legally ineligible for handouts based on skin color.

"I'll take a foreign worker over an American any day of the week."

out of the country i hope. you'd save us a lot of trouble and expense for their deportation. in asia, immigration amnesty means that you don't get beaten before your deportation. doubt it? google it.

"Half the men in my infantry company were Mexican born and I say they are letting you live here."

you got a lot of hate in your for america and americans brian. just the kind of guy it makes sense for our govt. to issue an m-16 to. some in the military sacrifice for their country. some use it as a paycheck, pension, college reimbursement, free training, a lot of not so patriotic reasons. many want to let illegals into the military out right. reminds me of something the romans tried, taking foreigners into the military en masse. we all know how that turned out for them. considering that the majority of mexicans believe the southwest united states rightfully belongs to mexico, it might make sense that we make sure they are fully assimilated before we turn over the military to mexican nationals. how many gang members are in the military. i've seen crazy statistics on that one too.

it seems you don't even understand the oath you took as a soldier. you didn't take an oath to defend this country or this land or this people. you took an oath to defend the constitution, you might want to go back and reread that oath you took. and if you ever get around to it, try reading the constitution you took an oath to defend sometimes while your at it.

"A day will come when the people in power won't have your white skin, what excuses will you have?"

have you watched the news lately? read a paper? looked at a newspaper rack? been awake?

"The greatest contributions to the world didn't come from you spoiled remnants of your immigrant forefathers. They came from people that weren't afraid of you, they persevered."

really? if you were to compile all the contributions to human progress over the last 700 years on a qualitative basis and quantify that, you really don't think that the various european cultures of which america has led the way over the past 150 will not top that ranking?

by the way, it is well known that korea has a bustling birth tourism industry that specializes in selling travel packages to expectant korean women to come to america, give birth, so that the child receives full citizenship, perfect for chain migration and/or access to american universities without having to apply for student visas.

"This nations economic troubles, embarrassing health care system, and steady decline into a second rate country is obviously caused by illegal immigration. Could it be the 4wd truck...bla bla bla"

i promise you, america's economy would be doing much better if we weren't wasting our resources defending ungrateful south korea against north korean aggression and if we didn't grant korea full access to our market while korea effectively blocks american exports from entering their market. and illegals are doing wonders for our health care system here. bankrupting hospitals, burdening our system, filling our schools at a cost of $12,000 per kid, times their on average 4.5 kids while having kids 1.5 generations before "white's have one..yeah, they are incurring costs of over $50,000 a year to the schools but sure, they are paying more into the system than they are getting out of it based on the taxes they are paying from those amazing salaries illegals are raking in.