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Stimulus Money with E-Verify will Hurt, Not Help American Workers

Last week the House Appropriations Committee voted to include an amendment to the stimulus bill—the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009—that would make enrollment in the federal E-Verify program a condition for receiving funds provided by the recovery package.

The amendment was proposed by Republican Jack Kingston from Georgia, who has voted for the middle-class less than 40% of the time—receiving a grade of an F from themiddleclass.org.

The E-Verify program is deeply flawed. The United States Government Accountability Office and other independent organizations have found that this program is unable to accurately identify U.S citizen and documented immigrant workers. In addition, the program fails to include a way to monitor and prevent unscrupulous employers from misusing the system.

As DMI has argued before, programs like E-Verify don’t help to solve the real problem—an underground workforce that threatens the wages and working conditions of all workers. Using E-Verify would only drive undocumented workers further underground and increase the violation of workplace rights in the labor market—affecting all workers.

Incorporating E-Verify into the stimulus package would not only delay use of stimulus funds, but would hurt American workers.

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Posted at 3:34 PM, Jan 27, 2009 in Immigration
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The American taxpayer will pay for the Stimulus Package. It's just right that Americans get the benefit and get the jobs first. It's the job of the government to take of care of it's citizens first. The E-Verify System works 99.99 percent; the only reason somebody will not want to use if they are illegal or using a stolen identity.

Posted by: debug | January 28, 2009 03:19 AM

I think those of us who want to see a humane and fair resolution of the challenges posed by undocumented workers will have to will that debate on its merits. But the antipathy many Americans feel for undocumented workers -- born of a real fear of wage competition, perhaps -- may blind some of us to the recovery benefits of making stimulus money available to all.

I think e-verify -- even if it worked perfectly (which it doesn't)-- is a blind alley. Locking undocumented workers out of stimulus money is short-sighted and self-defeating. The effect of the stimulus will be blunted if it locks out people because of their immigration status. We'll get less recovery for our tax dollars than if everyone gets to share. If we open access to recovery monies regardless of immigration status, more people will get more work. They'll spend more on food, clothing and rent. That'll help revive our economy.

Posted by: Daniel Millstone | January 28, 2009 08:23 AM

The e-Verify program provides Employers that want to be good, responsible, and just business a fair chance at competing against those that are looking to cut corners by going outside the legal worker pool. This is not unlike the competition between to businesses; A good citizen Business that follows the laws of the land and a dishonest and shady company that is willing to get is “product” from an illegal source. The shady company buys is wares at a deep discount because they know that its legally tainted and they can make a few more dollars. E-Verify will create a level playing field. Go American Business.

It always surprises me that we still see “undocumented” when we are talking about the illegal alien population. The pro-illegal groups continue to want us to forget that these criminals willingly broke into the United States, bleed the country dry, and will leave when the life blood is gone.

Posted by: Ronald Durham | January 28, 2009 11:29 PM

Mz. Jimenez, you sound like a paid lobbyist for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, or maybe in association with MALDEF or a similar group. Your posts imply a humanitarian tone, yet they do not take into account all those involved. Frankly, my dear, I am offended.
Your vested interests are not those of the vast majority of the American public-mandatory E-Verify would probably have saved me losses of $250,000 in union wages in the last decade to illegal labor.
The illegal labor pool has grown to ludicrous proportions-we can't afford to bankroll the entire planet. Maybe if these workers had to return to their home countries, those
governments would be forced to confront the problem head on instead of pawning it off on the poorest citizens of the US.

Posted by: willie the taper | January 29, 2009 10:08 PM

Mz. Jimenez, you sound like a paid lobbyist for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, or maybe in association with MALDEF or a similar group. Your posts imply a humanitarian tone, yet they do not take into account all those involved. Frankly, my dear, I am offended.
Your vested interests are not those of the vast majority of the American public-mandatory E-Verify would probably have saved me losses of $250,000 in union wages in the last decade to illegal labor.
The illegal labor pool has grown to ludicrous proportions-we can't afford to bankroll the entire planet. Maybe if these workers had to return to their home countries, those
governments would be forced to confront the problem head on instead of pawning it off on the poorest citizens of the US.

Posted by: willie the taper | January 29, 2009 10:15 PM

Mz. Jimenez, you sound like a paid lobbyist for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, or maybe in association with MALDEF or a similar group. Your posts imply a humanitarian tone, yet they do not take into account all those involved. Frankly, my dear, I am offended.
Your vested interests are not those of the vast majority of the American public-mandatory E-Verify would probably have saved me losses of $250,000 in union wages in the last decade to illegal labor.
The illegal labor pool has grown to ludicrous proportions-we can't afford to bankroll the entire planet. Maybe if these workers had to return to their home countries, those
governments would be forced to confront the problem head on instead of pawning it off on the poorest citizens of the US.

Posted by: willie the taper | January 29, 2009 10:17 PM

Mz. Jimenez,

My apologies for the duplicate postings-I must attribute at least part of them to a digital glitch. I certainly would not want to take more space than what is fair.

Posted by: willie the taper | January 30, 2009 12:12 AM

Of all the programs to fund during this time of defecit, the e-verify program should be the last one.

federal programs should be funded if they benefit all, and the country as a whole, while also upholding the constitution. I like to bring the constitution in here becuase people seem to forget it. It was made up of immigrants and speaks about freedoms of all (thankfully African Americans were joined later), but no where does it say "only those who have a social security number" or anything of this sort. In fact the founding principle of our revolution and the constitution is "no taxation without representation."

Now with e-verify- how does this document protect america? how does it further our national interest? If its security from terrorists- well in case you haven't heard they came in legally, and I dont think a terrorist in the future is going to come here and then try and get a job....
so obviously security isnt it.
If its to help ensure that americans take jobs that immigrants are taking american jobs- well what american do you know that would work for $6 an hour- and yes pay taxes on top of that while receiving no benefits or unemployment insurance, or medical insurance. I dont. If you think that all we need to do is simply pay these people more and americans will take it- well good luck beucase then your apple at the grocery will now cost somehwere between $5- $7 and we will have hyperinflation.

the only thing this program does is score a political point for republicans and some democrats as well- and I believe that at this time where wer are running a 2 trillion dollar debt- scoring political points (with billions of dolloars of loaned swiss money) is not the way to do it.

Right now we are facing a crisis the likes of which we haven't seen ever. At least when FDR took over the country had been running surplusses for over 10 years. Now we are facing a collapse of our financial sector, diminished confidence in our economy at home and abroad, record high deficts (higher than the british during the height of their empire- and we dont even own half the world), and our currency rapidly depreciating and losing its ground as the hegemonic currency. This is not to mention a nucluerized Iran, tensions in the middle east, an outdated infrastructure etc.

The last thing we need to do now is repeat mistakes that we have done in the past- during the depression we closed our borders to immigration- it only hurt our economy as our consumer market shrunk. right now our economy depends on immigration otherwise we will end up like Japan and Germany (2nd and 4th largest economies) who are seeing their population SHRINK. These countries had much more sever immigration policies and as such their populations did not continue to rise to the point that now they are faced with an aging population and a young generation that doesnt want to be factory workers, or stree cleaners, or for that matter- parents.

The one thing keeping our population (and our economy) growing over the last few years has been immigration. As soon as we close it off our borders our ecomnomy will not only see a further retraction - but its capacity to recover will be forecer diminished.

If its security you want- well forcing immigrants further underground only decreases your security- but lets be real here- most immigrants pay income taxes and all pay sales tax- this is a community that pays more taxes and gets less services....

oo and did i forget they cant vote- whatever happend to that document we are supposed to uphold that stands for "no taxation without represenation?"

its time we dropped the politics and do whats good for our economy. though this particular crisis is unparlled we can still take lessons from history in how to deal with it. closing our borders (pretty much doing what hoover did in the 20's) will only furhter exacurbate our problems...furthemore jumpstarting only our financial sector is another mistake as history has proven again (not even two months ago) that no economy can survive dependant upon the financial and service industries.

we need to boost our manufacturing...and as such we need our immigrant community- otherwise the Russian President is correct- The world economy is no longer american.

Posted by: American Citizen | January 30, 2009 01:33 PM

The American Citizen posting above makes several generalized statements above-with all due respect, they may be exaggerated or inaccurate. Perhaps if he were to just come to the point and say he wants to hire illegal aliens above America's poorest working people, we could end this long winded debate in a more timely fashion.

Posted by: willie the taper | January 31, 2009 03:41 AM

Talk about devil in the details!

Is this provision in the bill the House passed? And do you know if there's a comparable provision in the current Senate version of the stimulus package?

I'm asking because I know enough about E-Verify to know that your criticisms are spot on and that additional problems that would be exacerabated if the program were expanded further.

Posted by: Kathryn Baer | January 31, 2009 02:35 PM

I dont in fact have a problem with giving people who are in need of jobs work. I would like americas poorest- (who by the way are not the worlds poorest). But the debate isnt about who we should hire or not hire- the debate is about the effeciancy of E-Verify program and wether or not it should be in the stimulus package.

And for many reasons that I listed above I do not believe it should be in the stiumuls pacakge. I think it should be scrapped and labeled what it is - E-xenophobe.

I dont want my government to discriminate. Its not what it was founded on, and these policies controdict everything that our founding fathers stood for.

people have problem with undocumented workers children from going to school here. well let me give you a quote from John Adams (our first VP and 2nd president) and one of our founding fathers-

"Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially of the lower class of people, are so extremly wise and useful, that, to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant."

thoughts of kicking their children out of school...you may have disagreed with Adams and at that point you might have disagreed with the American Revolution.

Posted by: American Citizen | February 2, 2009 11:17 AM

Well, a knee jerk and a day later the classic retort-pull out the trusty race card.
Ah, yes, let us cloud the real issues and people will fall in lockstep, literally contributing their last dollar to the cause-and everyone else's, with, or without, their consent.

Posted by: willie the taper | February 2, 2009 03:13 PM

I would like to let Ms Jimenez reply to a question,whoose immigration rules are more prohibitive,U.S. or Mexico? Answer is Mexico's.Your parades with the American flag held upside down has awakened a sleeping giant.Race baiting by pro-amnesty groups and individuals like yourself is an insult to fair debate.When it comes down to your kids eating or mine,mine wins.I have an idea for all of you who say they are looking for the American dream,come forth,take the outh,get your uniform,grab a weapon and stand a post,then thank every American that did it before you.In the words of Jack Nicholson"beyond that I don't give a damn what you think your ENTITLED to"Yes to e-verify!

Posted by: John Buck | February 2, 2009 06:52 PM

I would like to let Ms Jimenez reply to a question,whoose immigration rules are more prohibitive,U.S. or Mexico? Answer is Mexico's.Your parades with the American flag held upside down has awakened a sleeping giant.Race baiting by pro-amnesty groups and individuals like yourself is an insult to fair debate.When it comes down to your kids eating or mine,mine wins.I have an idea for all of you who say they are looking for the American dream,come forth,take the outh,get your uniform,grab a weapon and stand a post,then thank every American that did it before you.In the words of Jack Nicholson"beyond that I don't give a damn what you think your ENTITLED to"Yes to e-verify!

Posted by: John Buck | February 2, 2009 06:53 PM

I would like to let Ms Jimenez reply to a question,whoose immigration rules are more prohibitive,U.S. or Mexico? Answer is Mexico's.Your parades with the American flag held upside down has awakened a sleeping giant.Race baiting by pro-amnesty groups and individuals like yourself is an insult to fair debate.When it comes down to your kids eating or mine,mine wins.I have an idea for all of you who say they are looking for the American dream,come forth,take the outh,get your uniform,grab a weapon and stand a post,then thank every American that did it before you.In the words of Jack Nicholson"beyond that I don't give a damn what you think your ENTITLED to"Yes to e-verify!

Posted by: John Buck | February 2, 2009 06:54 PM

Paid lobbyist for the U.S Chamber of Commerce?

Let’s not avoid addressing the real issue here: immigrant exploitation leads to low wages and poor working conditions for both, documented and American workers. Besides the fact that E-Verify doesn’t work, its implementation would not solve this problem. E-Verify would only drive undocumented workers further underground, putting more downward pressure on all wages in certain industries.

The existence of an underground pool of workers is not what hurts American workers; it’s their exploitation that makes it harder for workers to get fair wages. If undocumented workers were given a path to citizenship, they would be able to join and strengthen unions. Immigrant and native workers would be empowered and working conditions and wages would improve, benefiting all workers across sectors.

Posted by: Cristina | February 3, 2009 05:20 PM

Kathryn,

The House did passed the stimulus bill with the E-Verify provision. It is expected that a similar amendment would be proposed in the Senate, but during the Senate Finance Committee markup, an E-Verify amendment was blocked. The Senate is still going over amendments, let’s see what happens.

Posted by: Cristina | February 3, 2009 05:38 PM

Listen to the pro-amnesty lobby.99.6% effective is probobly the best % of any gov program.It's not the exploitation of illegal workers driving down wages,it's the fact that they just keep coming,I takr a page from the great union leader Caesar Chavez NO TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION YES TO E_VERIFY John Buck Former Union Organizer Laborers Eastern Region Organizing Fund NYC,NJ,DEL L.I.U.N.A.

Posted by: John Buck | February 3, 2009 06:08 PM

Regrettably, I must report that that the losses of a quarter million dollars I can
confidently attribute to illegal immigrant competition during this decade were suffered as a union member of the International Painters and Allied Trades (IUPAT). As one could deduce by my post "name" below, I am an 'allied' trades worker. The description 'allied' has become, in fact, a bitter irony.
The IUPAT is a member union of the AFL-CIO. Your readers are probably aware that the AFL-CIO, along with the Change to Win union group (including the Carpenter's Union, who broke ranks with the AFL-CIO and who now alledgedly attempt to "steal" jobs and members from their former AFL-CIO cohorts)did an about face in their policy of disavowing illegal labor in 2001 and began to avidly recruit illegal immigrants, regardless of legal status; "We don't care if they have a green card. All we care is they have a union card."-Bernie Hesse of the UFCW Local 789, as quoted in the St. Paul Pioneer Press.
This has been to the detriment of great numbers of "native" tradesman. Not only because of the huge numbers of illegal tradesman arrived in the last decade (not to say they're bad people; the majority of them work as hard as I do and seek a viable, dignified existence, the same as I) but also due to the nature of construction contracting's compensation-monetary charges based on total areas-square and lineal footage, or estimated times to complete the individual tasks involved in building construction. In short, what one calls piece work.
Now, in many instances amongst the union contactors in my vicinity who union officials of all stripes I've queried claim it is the responsbility to verify legal status, one method, of course, being E-Verify, it has become the habit to keep two sets of account books.
One set is the the real hourly wage, diminished from the actual union contract amount, or Target Hours, a cap on time to finish a task regardless of the actual time it might take, or piece work, a secret agreed upon amount to finish an area, or task.
The second set of books is the one that the union or tax auditor is presented to sign off on. Notably, many people call this simply-fraud.
How does this benefit a full-fledged union member, one of alleged illegal status?
An anecdotal quote: " The same guys come back every year with a different name and social security number, they claim eight or nine exemptions to avoid tax withholding,
and they just hire 'em right back every time."-a payroll accountant for one of the major drywall contractors in the Twin Cities area.
Boy, I wish I could avoid paying income taxes and only worry about the eight per cent
social security contribution; for whatever it's worth anymore. But, of course, I can't because legal citizens get in big trouble for tax fraud, don't they?
Sorry for that sarcastic tone, but that's what many tradesman are up against today. I've read Mz. Jimenez' points regarding E-verify and it's faults, and I am concerned; hopefully the measures now in place to correct those faults will be worthwhile and not just bandaids.
And yet I find it my only recourse for survival, although my family will be evicted next month since the reimbursement time will be up on our recent foreclosure. Not to mention the thousands of dollars of equity that will be lost. It's a little too lare for us, but, hopefully not for all the pawns in this chess game, undocumented or not. But this isn't a story of self-pity.
Let me say this: I agree wholeheartedly with the statement above that exploitation of workers affects us all. Not to say I'm a whole hearted fan of amnesty either. That legislation has numerous exploitive faults, also, as witnessed by the wording denying CIS intake workers to verify documentation presented. Another game of fraud-a means to an end for exploitive, carpetbagging tactics?
Better perhaps to take a long, careful look at the situation, with civil discourse and debate, with the goal an equitable outcome for all peoples involved.

Posted by: willie the taper | February 4, 2009 01:56 AM

Regrettably, I must report that that the losses of a quarter million dollars I can
confidently attribute to illegal immigrant competition during this decade were suffered as a union member of the International Painters and Allied Trades (IUPAT). As one could deduce by my post "name" below, I am an 'allied' trades worker. The description 'allied' has become, in fact, a bitter irony.
The IUPAT is a member union of the AFL-CIO. Your readers are probably aware that the AFL-CIO, along with the Change to Win union group (including the Carpenter's Union, who broke ranks with the AFL-CIO and who now alledgedly attempt to "steal" jobs and members from their former AFL-CIO cohorts)did an about face in their policy of disavowing illegal labor in 2001 and began to avidly recruit illegal immigrants, regardless of legal status; "We don't care if they have a green card. All we care is they have a union card."-Bernie Hesse of the UFCW Local 789, as quoted in the St. Paul Pioneer Press.
This has been to the detriment of great numbers of "native" tradesman. Not only because of the huge numbers of illegal tradesman arrived in the last decade (not to say they're bad people; the majority of them work as hard as I do and seek a viable, dignified existence, the same as I) but also due to the nature of construction contracting's compensation-monetary charges based on total areas-square and lineal footage, or estimated times to complete the individual tasks involved in building construction. In short, what one calls piece work.
Now, in many instances amongst the union contactors in my vicinity who union officials of all stripes I've queried claim it is the responsbility to verify legal status, one method, of course, being E-Verify, it has become the habit to keep two sets of account books.
One set is the the real hourly wage, diminished from the actual union contract amount, or Target Hours, a cap on time to finish a task regardless of the actual time it might take, or piece work, a secret agreed upon amount to finish an area, or task.
The second set of books is the one that the union or tax auditor is presented to sign off on. Notably, many people call this simply-fraud.
How does this benefit a full-fledged union member, one of alleged illegal status?
An anecdotal quote: " The same guys come back every year with a different name and social security number, they claim eight or nine exemptions to avoid tax withholding,
and they just hire 'em right back every time."-a payroll accountant for one of the major drywall contractors in the Twin Cities area.
Boy, I wish I could avoid paying income taxes and only worry about the eight per cent
social security contribution; for whatever it's worth anymore. But, of course, I can't because legal citizens get in big trouble for tax fraud, don't they?
Sorry for that sarcastic tone, but that's what many tradesman are up against today. I've read Mz. Jimenez' points regarding E-verify and it's faults, and I am concerned; hopefully the measures now in place to correct those faults will be worthwhile and not just bandaids.
And yet I find it my only recourse for survival, although my family will be evicted next month since the reimbursement time will be up on our recent foreclosure. Not to mention the thousands of dollars of equity that will be lost. It's a little too lare for us, but, hopefully not for all the pawns in this chess game, undocumented or not. But this isn't a story of self-pity.
Let me say this: I agree wholeheartedly with the statement above that exploitation of workers affects us all. Not to say I'm a whole hearted fan of amnesty either. That legislation has numerous exploitive faults, also, as witnessed by the wording denying CIS intake workers to verify documentation presented. Another game of fraud-a means to an end for exploitive, carpetbagging tactics?
Better perhaps to take a long, careful look at the situation, with civil discourse and debate, with the goal an equitable outcome for all peoples involved.

Posted by: willie the taper | February 4, 2009 01:57 AM

I am distraught. I stumbled upon this page in error, and my soul aches. Someone please assist me in finding an answer... as I look and read at the comments above I do not believe many of you will ever change your mind at all. I do not expect this; I actually expect dire comments and hateful remarks. For this very same reason I will like to show you my situation:

I am 23 years old-female- I was brought from my country to the USA without MY permission. I was only a year old. I grew up thinking I was American-as American as it gets. I went to private school in kindergarten, middle school, high school. I graduate honors- I received a scholarship that I now cannot use. I cannot use it because I am illegal in this country. No, I did not cross the border willingly. Now… I sit here and think how this, my fault is?

Here I am- I know everything there is to know about the United States of America, history, anthem, etc., and nothing from where I am from yet I am not enough. I will go and defend this country in war if I could yet that is not enough. I have no criminal record, yet here I am trying to do this the RIGHT WAY. I am pending a family visa that has taken over 10 years. The United States has giving me a piece of paper that says you can wait here for your legal status but we will not provide anything for you to feed yourself or your family. How ridiculous is this?

I stare at people in the face that share majority of the hateful feelings many people do regarding people who are in my same shoes, yet when they look at me they speak the truth not knowing. Not knowing I am one of them- it makes me sick. I refuse to do what I seen many do- get married. My morals are more important to me then this… I refuse to lie and make believe.

It will be simple to say lets pick everything up and go--- where am I going to go? I know no one in my country—I do not recall anything—I was too young. My language is an issue- I do not speak the language well nor do I write it. Yet I am not good enough. I am just expected to wait for all my paperwork to come to me in the mail, maybe then I’ll be GOOD ENOUGH or maybe enough to live my life.

Where do you go when all you have known is not really yours and what you really know to be yours you can’t begin to understand?

Posted by: Unfair | February 4, 2009 03:52 PM

It sounds like you're between a rock and a hard place-maybe I can help.
Your family has waited ten years for some sort of documentation? Sounds like you could use legal help, but who can afford that? Hardly anyone these days.
Have you tried seeking pro-bono help? Sometimes if you can get your story heard, then you could find an immigration attorney to help your case; or, he could find you.
Try rrosario@pioneerpress.com. Ruben is a friend of mine who writes on subjects like yours. He's a New York native who started his career there, and I believe he has many contacts in the newspaper industry; he would be willing to help you. He's well versed on immigration issues and probably has knowledge of legal aid resources for you.
I will check with him to make sure. Maybe it's a good thing you stumbled on this site!

Posted by: willie the taper | February 4, 2009 09:15 PM

We have to remember that the US Taxpayer funded this system because of illegal immigration (yes illegal not undocumented)has resulted in undue expense to the US Taxpayer in the downstream expenses such as illegals using emergency rooms, driving uninsured etc. This is not about a bigoted attitude. It is about enforcing US Law. What I cannot understand is we enforce the law on legal citizens very freely (i.e., giving them a speeding ticket) but shy away from enforcing the immigration laws that support illegal citizens. When I step back you have to wonder where our values have gone.

Posted by: Ed Vincent | February 4, 2009 10:16 PM

We have to remember that the US Taxpayer funded this system because of illegal immigration (yes illegal not undocumented)has resulted in undue expense to the US Taxpayer in the downstream expenses such as illegals using emergency rooms, driving uninsured etc. This is not about a bigoted attitude. It is about enforcing US Law. What I cannot understand is we enforce the law on legal citizens very freely (i.e., giving them a speeding ticket) but shy away from enforcing the immigration laws that support illegal citizens. When I step back you have to wonder where our values have gone.

Posted by: Ed Vincent | February 4, 2009 10:18 PM

Also my sympathy to the lady.Hope Willie was helpful to you,you see there are LEGAL avenues so please use them.

Posted by: John Buck | February 5, 2009 12:27 AM

Also my sympathy to the lady.Hope Willie was helpful to you,you see there are LEGAL avenues so please use them.

Posted by: John Buck | February 5, 2009 12:29 AM

Also my sympathy to the lady.Hope Willie was helpful to you,you see there are LEGAL avenues so please use them.

Posted by: John Buck | February 5, 2009 12:30 AM

And also,with open borders,what makes you think that the same type of person who savaged you at your home won't come to mine and do the same?Maybe thru lack of enforcement he's already here.

Posted by: John Buck | February 5, 2009 12:38 AM

plants
native gardeners
picking out weeds

Posted by: haikubandit | February 5, 2009 02:44 AM

Have used e-Verify, and it works GREAT! I've verified hundreds of employees and have never had a problem. Only takes a couple of minutes. The few that have kicked out were because of a name change, which was easily resolved. The people who rail against e-Verify don't want it because it's easy to use and it DOES work. As for the girl who has been here since 1 year of age, the criminals who are to blame for her predicament should be arrested, HER PARENTS!

Posted by: john O | February 5, 2009 03:39 AM

I am amazed that Ms. Jimenez would try to say that a 92% first time verification of all inquiries as being inaccurate. That means 92 out of every 100 people who apply to work in this country have their eligibility correctly verified within less than a minute. Of those 8 who don't, they will be reviewed individually on a case by case basis. Sound pretty accurate and fair to me. That allows legal citizen and foriegn workers to recieve fair wages, workerman's comp, and pay their taxes on a fair unbiased basis.

Posted by: Arne C | February 5, 2009 11:57 PM

Absolutely lock out illegal aliens! E-verify is a great system 99% accurate. We are being scammed and grifted by illegal aliens and their parent country supported lobbyists!I am tired of seeing our scarce resources for American women, children, and vulnerable being grifted by the illegals. They are predators and our women children and vulnerable are their prey!

Posted by: John | February 6, 2009 08:14 AM

Really John?
I consider the US Chamber of Commerce the big bad wolf and my US senator the boogie man. What I mean is I'm not going to blame each and every one on a financial par as me when I'd do, well, have done, the same as they, i.e., become literally a migrant worker.
I've worked with some fine folks, and we've watched each others backs and made money
together-but we all agree on one thing, and that is an unlimited influx of cheap labor
makes no sense. Unless you're the building contractors of America or worse yet, the AFL-CIO; now those people have no scruples.
If you want change, don't blame the powerless; rather, confront those mad with power and greed. Raise a stink as often and as eloquently as you can, and be sure to vote accordingly so we can bring down this system of corruption.

Posted by: willie the taper | February 6, 2009 04:56 PM

Unfair

Thanks for sharing your story, there are thousands of stories like yours across the country. You are not alone.

Unfortunately, unlike what other readers are suggesting, there are no legal means for you to fix your situation unless you have a U.S citizen spouse or sibling (which can take up to 20 years) that can petition for you. Your age wouldn’t allow for you to be petitioned by U.S. or documented parents. This is the reality of our country’s dysfunctional immigration system.

The only hope for you and thousands of young people in your case is the passage of the DREAM Act. I have worked and written extensively on this issue, check my previous posts.

Posted by: Cristina | February 6, 2009 08:40 PM

As usual Christina,your wrong ,I refer you to the legal avenue issued above.Like I said before when it comes to eating,U.S. kids come first.

Posted by: John Buck | February 7, 2009 02:51 AM

And the only hope for hundreds of millions of legal Americans is to defeat the DREAM act

Posted by: John Buck | February 7, 2009 07:22 PM

Americans SHOULD ALWAYS COME FIRST! We have supported this county for our entire life in one way or another and will continue to do so until we die. We can't pay taxes to continue to support this huge deficit that we are all now burdened with if we DON'T HAVE JOBS..... What does our government not understand about this??? Illegal's don't pay taxes.....Enough with trying to support those that don't deserve it.

Posted by: michelle brown | February 10, 2009 10:13 PM

Whoever wrote this has just endorced the exact 'thing' that will DOOM this 'Stimulus' bill. Over 600,000 will be up for grabs as a Welcome Mat to Illegal Immigrants in Construction, as they dominate it in states like California.
Napolitano was praising the fact that the Recession has driven "many" "illegal immigrants" to "return" back to places like "Mexico".
Now, with the EXCLUSION of 'E-Verify' by the Senate after the House had it in it's Original 'Stimulus' Bill, it's an Open Invitation to come on back!
Construction is the most desired employment of Illegal Males.
When the 'Construction' jobs 'dried-up' in California, the Foreclosures began.
Again, the Illegals using ITIN's from the IRS will buy up homes with the New Added Homeownership Grants and Loans like these: USDA Rural Direct, USDA Rural Guaranteed, HUD-Section 8 Housing Choice, HUD-Section 8 Housing Choice Mobility, Homeownership Loans and Grants for No Down Payment, No Closing Costs, Grants for Moving Expenses, 1% Interest Rates to more Subsidized Rates of 0% Interest Rates on 40 year loans to ONLY LOW AND EXTEMELY LOW INCOME PERSONS, Nobody that's OVER a certain Low Income will recieve any of these above loans! So, these were the types of loans that Illegals went after the 1st time around, and will definately go after again.
When the 'Stimulus' Construction Job Bubble pops, so will the Home Mortgage Payments that they will be paying during the Construction Boom from the 'Stimulus'.
Again, there will be MORE Foreclosures.
Guaranteed the Illegals will FLOOD to these Construction Jobs. Underbidding EVERYONE that's a Legal American Citizen.
I would be suprised if a single Legal American Citizen gets any of the 600,000 'Stimulus' Construction Jobs.
You will be driving past every single Road & Bridge Construction Project and see NOTHING BUT ILLEGALS WORKING and getting paid.
Their Women and Children collect Welfare and the Men work Construction. 2 incomes.
They can therefore Underbid for the Construciton Jobs. And they WILL.
This Sole Deletion of the E-Verify will definate Sink the 'Stimulus' to not work out at all.
As many jobs the Illegals will be able to get, they will take.
So it's not going to work.
I grew up in Los Angeles, and still live in California, and it's all over this state.
Illegals taking jobs, welfare.
Good luck to anyone that's NOT Illegal trying to get one of these jobs in Constuction.

Posted by: E-Verify has over a 99.6% Accurate Rating | February 12, 2009 05:12 PM

Anyone who votes to get rid of e-verify is un-american. None of our elected officials have the guts to stand up to the lobbyists from the Chamber of Commerce, and the others who want open borders in the name of making a buck. This administration will be no different than the last one, when it comes to immigration, in fact, we may soon be wishing we had old GW back!

Posted by: Jeff Kunkleman | February 12, 2009 08:29 PM

Hey..what are "Illegals" are they anything like the "people" who colonized this land from somewhere else. I wonder how the "other people" get into this country?...Wow! like the government has no idea and no part to play in it. What "un american" and are we supposed to be scared. Quite frankly everything and everyone has bee "un american" considering the hatred put out from day one. Look at how this country started and continued..and you expect things to change now..with so many invested in maintaining lie and using anyone from anywhere they can get. BY THE WAY KULTZMAN WHERE DO YO COME FROM....WHY NOT TAKE A LONG TRIP ON A SHORT PLANK BACK HOMW...AND YOU'LL FIND YOU NEVER LEFT THE SO CALLED "PLANET" AND ALL THAT "SURROUNDS" IT FAR AND WIDE. Lets stop treating each other like strangers and ourselves like its all about "me"/"us". Wake up and smell your life..its not the only one!..thank goodness or you'd be the first one begging to know anyone else!.

Posted by: misso | February 19, 2009 03:37 PM

"one nation,under God,indivisable,with liberty and justice for all"-no laws-no liberty,no justice.Follow the rules or leave!

Posted by: John BucK | February 21, 2009 01:35 PM

"one nation,under God,indivisable,with liberty and justice for all"-no laws-no liberty,no justice.Follow the rules or leave!

Posted by: John BucK | February 21, 2009 01:36 PM

"one nation,under God,indivisable,with liberty and justice for all"-no laws-no liberty,no justice.Follow the rules or leave!

Posted by: John BucK | February 21, 2009 01:37 PM

"one nation,under God,indivisable,with liberty and justice for all"-no laws-no liberty,no justice.Follow the rules or leave!

Posted by: John BucK | February 21, 2009 01:38 PM

"one nation,under God,indivisable,with liberty and justice for all"-no laws-no liberty,no justice.Follow the rules or leave!

Posted by: John BucK | February 21, 2009 01:38 PM

Hey Cristina Jimenez were you E-Verified or is that against your civil rights?

Posted by: Brian | March 4, 2009 08:43 AM

To unfair
Your about is full of it as it gets when it comes to college.
My wife went to school(in NY) with two Illegal immigrants from Poland both got scholarships and the in state tuition rate!! My wife whom I was living with at the time had to pay out of state tuition since she only moved in with me a year before she registered for school from another state. In other words sneak in from another country and get a cheaper rate then if you drove over from the next state!!!

Also when it comes to e verify. If it was the law of the land we would have to legalize more immigrants(legal and illegal ) to fill positions in the work place.Forcing companies to pay payroll taxes on there workers there by helping the economy.
Corporations don't want this to happen which is the real reason we don't pass this bill.They love there tax payer subsidized workforce!!Do you think the esitated 20 million ilegals would just vanish if we passed e-verify ??
Heck the way e-verify keeps getting put off under both administrations one would think there lobby gropes would put them at the very head of the line with little problem.

Posted by: Cranedude | June 13, 2009 09:13 AM

There are plenty of devices, including Microsoft's Zune, .... If Microsoft wants to join the real world, it should come down out of its ... No body partners like Microsoft - How true. ... the small software developers that Ms likes to refer to in their TV ads. ...
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Posted by: russ.dotson | December 15, 2009 01:06 PM

It should be helpful to workers. Let's wait for a longer time.

Posted by: labor law poster | February 5, 2010 02:24 AM


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