Amy Taylor
Reaction to Lou Dobbs Town Hall on Broken Borders
Last night Lou Dobbs held a town hall style show on the "broken borders" issue live from San Antonio, Texas. To his credit, his guests included folks from both sides of the debate. Although hostile to their views and at time unbelievably patronizing, he did give airtime to proponents of comprehensive immigration reform as well as to the hardliners for border control. The show hit on a number of issues, so let's look at them one at a time.
Undocumented Workers and Native Wages: Lou Dobbs has a knack for characterizing this issue as one that should make the public angry. In fact, he said last night that employers, when they hire undocumented immigrants, are blatantly discriminating against U.S. citizens. The segment addressed some legitimate concerns of U.S. workers including contractors who cannot compete with businesses that hire undocumented immigrants and outbid competitors who don't. Mr. Dobbs took issue with the argument that immigrants fill jobs that Americans don't want. The narrator of this particular segment said to the contrary, "Americans are not lazy, Americans are willing to work hard...for a fair wage." This is exactly the argument that DMI has outlined in our report "Principles of an Immigration Policy to Strengthen and Expand the American Middle Class" In the report, we argue that because undocumented immigrants live here under a constant threat of deportation, their ability to enforce their own workplace rights and demand fair wages and fair treatment is greatly diminished. As a result, the situation threatens to push wages down across entire industries. The only way to address this issue is to strengthen the workplace rights of these vital workers, who we need to keep our economy strong and growing, and thereby raise wages for all workers. We agree that the middle class should be angry about the dismal state of wages and the ability to earn a living as a worker in this country, the question is whether an enforcement-only immigration policy will raise wages.
The Border Fence: The enforcement-only agenda of Congress will not address the issues discussed in the previous section. History has taught us that building a wall will not keep out workers that our economy relies on to the degree that it currently does. With the Secure Fence Act of 2006 set to be signed into law today, it seemed Mr. Dobbs was much more focused on conjuring up supportive votes for the Republican Congress than with realistically looking at both sides of this issue. In fact, he mentioned the fact that elections are a mere two weeks away numerous times throughout the show. When talking about the bill signing event he even said that Republicans wanted a high profile event before the elections. So, even Lou Dobbs admits that the Fence bill is more of an election-year strategy to mobilize voters than to tackle the real issues that Americans are concerned about --how to reform our broken immigration system.
Costs and Benefits of Illegal Immigration: On the show last night, Lou Dobbs engaged in an extremely one-sided rant about the high costs of illegal immigration. He presented it as an unfair deal where immigrants cost local governments "literally billions of dollars", "employers love it" because they profit from it, and "the middle class gets stuck with the tab." Now, I have to hand it to him because he is very skilled at getting people to direct their anger about economic insecurity at immigrant workers rather than at a broken system that needs reform. It is outrageous that he would present statistics on these costs in such a confident, one-sided manner when economists agree that actual costs are nearly impossible to calculate. Economists who have attempted to calculate these costs must speculate about the three main variables --the number of undocumented immigrants living here, the volume of local services used and the revenue generated by this population. Because there is no formal data on any of these factors, economists are not in agreement on the actual costs of illegal immigration. Lou Dobbs presented statistics on the costs to local governments of educating immigrant children as well as healthcare and incarceration costs. And, yes, the tabs were "shocking." However, they were incomplete. He did not look at the revenue generated by immigrant consumers, taxpayers and entrepreneurs. Current studies show a range of results -- including that immigrants are a net benefit to the economy --which certainly was not presented on the show.
One guest of Lou Dobbs, Rosa Rosales, the president of LULAC, did manage to mention how immigrants benefit the economy by paying billions of dollars into Social Security, paying taxes and stimulating growth. She actually was given time to make her arguments, at the end of which she questioned whether the anti-immigrant camp was, in fact, worried about the rising voting power of the Latino population in the United States. This is when the patronizing tone of Mr. Dobbs became unbearable, "Rosa, I was so proud of you and then you bring up race!"
Race: When called a racist on these issues, Lou Dobbs had his ready response, "Racism is the last refuge of people without arguments and without facts." He actually went on to accuse Ms. Rosales of being patronizing, condescending and racist!? He called on folks to remove race from the dialogue about immigration. His comments, in fact, ignore the fact that race has always been an integral part of debates around new immigrants since immigrants first came to the United States. New immigrants have always been looked at as "other", "non-white", and unwilling to learn English. To give no credence to this important issue is itself extremely patronizing.
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I began to watch Mr. Dobb's program and although there were some valid arguments . It is my opinion that there were some incorrect statements made out of ignorance and it irresponsible for network of CNN's caliber to propagate ignorance.
1- Hispanics are NOT a race - rather an ethnicity. There are members of all races in this group white, black, asian, indian, and mixed the common thread is simply the language. In fact, not even the cultures are the same a Mexican does not speak nor eat the same things as an Argentine nor a Spaniard. Oh, and yes Spaniards are Hispanics as well.
2- The fact is that most of the people come into the country illegally do so to work, most are good family oriented , God fearing people.
Just the type of people the current administration would want in there corner.
3- It is not true that Americans do the same job for fair wages. I live in Palm Beach County and after hurricane Wilma I called several American contractors to come and make repairs NONE of them SHOWED up. Who did my work - a hispanic.
4- I take offense at the attitude that all HISPANICS are the same I am a first generation American born & bred here. My parents both Doctors, my family has never been on welfare.
5- Finally, my work everyday shows me the other side of the coin Hispanics trying to get a piece of the American Dream and we help them to do so.
The truth of the matter is that crooked politicians on both sides of the border could care less . All the drugs that were shown on the show does anyone really think that the current administration has not been and is aware of this situation. It is not on the agenda unless there is oil attached to it and can mean personal gain.
As the other poster mentioned American history is painted the horrors of immigrant bashing. Every new group has gone through it.
The only point I do agree with in this whole mess is that if you are going to be here you should speak English. Whose fault is that the American companies that want their greenbacks. When , I was a child there was not Spanish any where conclusion people learned English. I embrace my Hispanic culture I perfectly fluentin both languages and I work with my community daily making a difference one life at a time.
I am incensed to hear baseless rhetoric.
Solution, get rid of the bad politicians, give limited residencies at least this way the government will increase the tax basis - God knows we need it . It will also help the government get their hand around the criminals.
They are a real factor in this equation and as long as this "illegal immigrant" situation exists there is no way to know who is who.
Don't give them a free ride make it tougher for them.I agree , make their kids finish school, serve the armed forces or whatever but when this country was built by our founding fathers. It was not built stricty for the White Anglo saxon.
Posted by: sylvia lambourg | October 29, 2006 07:13 AM
I like Lou. He's one sided because he is an American. I believe his ratings are up because he pulls no punches on either party and demands answers. He pushes his idea's on his show, and sometimes it gets annoying, but point out another primetime news person that sticks up for average Americans.
Posted by: Parke Nicholson | October 30, 2006 04:46 PM
In response to Parke Nicholson's comments, I agree that Lou Dobbs has high ratings because he takes the side of the "average American" in his arguments and that is appealing to many viewers. However, I would have to agree with Sylvia Lambourg's comment that he spent a lot of time "moderating" a supposedly unbiased event by presenting misinformation about the costs of immigration, the connection between immigrants and crime rates, and the effectiveness of a border wall. It is one thing to make editorial comments and quite another to attempt to be a non-partisan debate moderator.
Posted by: Amy Taylor | October 31, 2006 10:38 AM
lets look at the big picture:
The USA a country made of imigrants form all over the world ,a country built on native lands and a very large part of mexico
taken by force from the ancestors of the peoples who are now crossing the border.
did not anglo and europeans migrants iligaly migrated to this lands and the whole world?
and by force have taken so many countries and territories have created the desperate conditions in wich these first peoples of the americas and the world find them self in? if these peoples you call aliens dont have the right to their ancestral lands what right does any other imigrant have?
Posted by: Jc Osorio | November 4, 2006 07:28 AM
Border fence: There are a lot of strong feelings in the meeting about the fence; perhaps, spending that money to dispatch a couple of preditors, and issue the 50 cals to inforce illegal border crossings.
Posted by: M. Davis | November 4, 2006 04:29 PM
If you want to live in another country, go through the proper legal process. As a Canadian, I sympathize with America because people choose to ignore the rules of that country upon entering, and then feel those should be entitled to the benfits of the country.
Posted by: John R | November 4, 2006 05:10 PM
The show was great but what's up with that Rosa? So rude it was really annoying and I had to switch channels until she was off the air. It was embarrassing for me to watch. Everyone else was cool though.
Posted by: Antonia | November 14, 2006 03:59 PM
I wonder who cuts mister Dobbs lawn? or cleans his home. He may be part of the problem.
Posted by: LT | November 22, 2006 07:32 AM