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Andrew Friedman

A Day Without Immigrants? Not a Great Idea.

The movement for immigrant rights has been starting to feel like a movement. Hundreds of thousands of people have been out in the streets, all over the country, condemning legislative attacks on immigrant communities, and supporting a comprehensive immigration reform that offers a path to citizenship for people already here. Everyone is talking about immigration.

There is definately momentum here, but it is important to be careful with it. It can evaporate quickly.

There has been a lot of talk of May 1st being "A Day Without Immigrants," a day where immigrants stay home from work and stay out of stores in order to show their economic power. This seems like a tactical error.

First, a general strike and a nationwide boycott are exceedingly difficult to pull off. It makes more sense to test these tactics and develop capacity at coordinating them before calling a nationwide action. Also, people need to work. They need to pay their rent, feed their children, etc. Taking a day off hurts everyone economically. Also, the tactic is risky. People will likely lose their jobs and the economic hardship will increase. Overall, this effort is likely to fail because of the inexperience of the organizers, the scale of the action, and the fact that it will cost jobs and money and that most immigrants cannot afford to lose.

Even if the action were to succeed, though, it would likely fail to achieve its ostensible goal of promoting a just immigration reform. More likely, it would create a backlash. It places immigrants in opposition to the rest of the country - immigrants against the economy.

Immigrants have many natural allies in the struggle for comprehensive immigration reform. We will need them all to win justice for immigrants.
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Update:
Andrew was asked to write an op-ed on this subject by the New York Daily News.
You can read it on the DMI website.

Posted at 7:49 AM, Apr 17, 2006 in Immigration | Permalink | Comments (185) | TrackBack (0)


Comments

A Day Without Immigrants is actually a GREAT idea. People who arent even immigrants support us too and even some places are letting mexicans off for work that day. We should prove to them that a day without immigrants is like a day without work or food. More than 11 million immigrants are in this country and without them...America wouldnt be what it is now. U.S Immigrants work A LOT more than Americans. Without Immigrants, there wouldnt be anything but laziness in this country. Its amazing what a whole nation can do!!

Posted by: esther valadez | April 24, 2006 10:51 AM

I don't known if the outcome will be positive or negative, on a micro level, people will lose their jobs, employers have been quoted on record that if you're scheduled to work and fail to show, you're gone, no different than "sleeping in." On a macro level, what will be accomplished? Nothing, this will be all over the news for a few days and then american amnesia will delete the actions and efforts in a buttons push. What WILL be remembered are any idiocies that are likely to occur. What is funny about this situation is that no one truely cares about anyone else, political parties manipulate to gain vote, and the immigrants themselves only want "theirs." I agree some backlash will likely occur, I agree that seperating themselves by displaying "america againts us " is a stupid tactic, I think its stupid that most kids who will walk out don' really know the issue, I hate it when people call out a minority "Mexicans" (like above) fact is it is about immigrants from all parts of the world no mater what percetage they contribute to the overall population. So when I turn on the television set and see the marchers walking, and protestors protesting, I will obsere for a few seconds and like most change the channel to something more interesting, something that may somewhere in the world may be making a diiference.

Posted by: who him | April 25, 2006 06:33 AM

I always thought that "immigrant" was a general term that was used for any person who comes to this country from another one. What I don't understand is how it has become synonomous with "Mexican". My husband's parents came here from Croatia (immigration) legally and became US citizens and were proud to be both Croatian and US citizens. I think many people forget that immigrants DO come from all over the world - not just one country.

The comment above that says that "without Immigrants, there wouldnt be anything but laziness in this country" is blatant racism and is ignorant to boot. It's author also seems to have forgotten that many immigrants both Hispanic and otherwise, consider themselves Americans and would take offense to that comment just as much as a white American.

I do agree with that same author that this country wouldn't be what it is without immigrants. This country was built on immigrants and draws from a multitude of cultures due to immigration. The trick is, in previous generations most immigrants were grateful to be here and saw it as an opportunity to have a better life. Now it seems that this country and it's people (including all the immigrants from prior generations) are disrespected and seen as lazy and racist. It also seems that rather than coming here and seeing it as an opportunity people come here and expect things to be done FOR them and that they are entitled to something just because they happen to be here.

I was born in this country and feel lucky. I know countless immigrants who have come here legally and became citizens and also feel lucky. I keep seeing people on TV who don't seem to agree. I keep wondering...why do so many (apparently, it's 11 million and counting) keep wanting to be here if this country and it's people are so horrible?

Posted by: Jennifer | April 25, 2006 05:17 PM

All immigrants are equal?...not true
All immigrants are grateful for being here? True
Dispite economic situations millions of immigrants are here by choice and are gratefull for the opportunities available to them. Many cities througout the U.S. rely on immigrants economically. Anytime you attempt to remove people from anyplace that they consider home it will be chaotic. Remember 94' we help burn L.A. down for injustice, I doubt they will hold back from doing it again. Immigrants from all over the world make this country,but only a hand full are bullied by the government. A jewish immigrant is treated different than a columbian or mexican immigrant. RACISM still EXISTS. Many middle eastern (persians,armenians, etc) immigrants have not been supportive, from what I've seen through this movement in L.A. WHY....they know they will get tossed out too. Maybe they think will let all the hispanics fight for us...who knows...
Just some thoughts I had....hope someone out there is reading and can add or debate anything I just typed.

Posted by: loyalty | April 25, 2006 06:07 PM

What would happen if amnesty is granted to the 11 miliion of the countries immigrants? NOTHING - REMEMBER that in 1986 amnesty was granted to millions of immigrants, and well here we are. AND WHAT is up with the upcoming May boycot, the protests are set up to target the U.S business community, yet the Business community is one of the strongest supporters of legalization, Huh? stupid.

Above:
I don't think all immigrants are happy, Most are not. How could a smile be put upon a face of someone who is foced to come to a place where they compete to work for the most minimal of wages, doing the most difficult of jobs, always failing to realize that their wage is design only to get them to and from work. They look around and for some reason they can no longer read. The food taste like shit, and it's to dam hot outside. At some point they have children, children they will never see grow because the're never around, their education will be subpar and will soon join mom and pop at the local factory. One day they wake to be old, ponder where time has gone, and cry. There are exceptions, heaven is where they are, but hell is where most reside.

Posted by: who him | April 26, 2006 05:03 AM

I agree with you as far as the wages and how the system is designed to keep them down.
Which is why they need to take a stand on May 1st. To show they are worth more. May 1st is just a baby step to what needs to be done. As for education...They are many reasons? primarly the resources available to them are not up to date. Those that use them are pretty well off. We still have a huge percentage that needs to step and learn the english language but after something like this I think they will see the importance in education and reading. Food tasting like shit...What does that have to do with this topic. You ignorant fuck. The statment you made about them not being around, thats a bullshit statememt. You cannot single out immigrants to single parent home issues. If anything it can probably be relavant to the money they get paid. Also keep this heaven /hell religion shit out of political issues. Trust most immigrants are happy for the opportunities here, than those from their native country. They are not satisfied with they living conditions, which again is a diff issue.
You are all over the place with your statements. Your speaking emotionally instead of logically. They money they get paid is due to abusive ceo assholes taking advantage of vulnerable immigrants trying to make a living.

Posted by: loyalty | April 26, 2006 07:27 PM

Wow, Your blog is awesome. TaraX

Posted by: Tarax | April 27, 2006 04:00 AM

What do You know "who him"
Have you ever worked 13 Hour shifts in the Hot sun working for $4 an hour?
The truth is you are an Ignorant Fuck that knows nothing of hard work. It is people like you who need to get off your couch and work like an immigrant would. My advice to you is get off the crack and do some damn work.

Posted by: Eduaredo Blades | April 27, 2006 07:51 AM

A day without illegals sounds great to me

Posted by: John Shreenan | April 27, 2006 09:55 AM

Does anyone know when and where any rallies in Atlanta on May 1st are?

Posted by: Steven | April 27, 2006 11:42 AM

Eduaredo Blades- The only reason someone settles for "$4/hr in hot sun" is because they are unskilled for anything else. How is that something to be proud of, regardless of hard work?

Posted by: Julie | April 27, 2006 01:08 PM

When did all this become about immigrants, I thought the issue was about illegal immigrants?

Posted by: Wayne | April 27, 2006 06:00 PM

#1. They are not illegal immigrants. The proper term is Illegal ALIEN.
#2. If you are here illegally, then you have no RIGHTS, therefore no right to protest.
#3. Go back to your country and come here legally and you will be treated with respect.
#4. If you don't like your country and everyone there wants to have it like we do in America, then get together and make the changes necessary to make your country the way you want it.
#5. If you work for $4.oo/hr, don't complain! You shouldn't be here anyways.

OK....now,
If you come to this country legally you won't be working for $4.00/hr. Why is that??? BECAUSE that is below minimum wage. RIGHTS anyone. Right now YOU DON'T HAVE ANY!!!

Posted by: cmars | April 27, 2006 06:36 PM

I think that both sides are wrong. The lawmakers are stupid to try and pass laws that exclude the children of illegal aliens from getting things like in-state tuition in public universities. If we don�t allow them to go to school and better their situation in life then we are forcing them into a lot of minimum wage jobs with no future or a life of crime because those will be their options. I also think that we Americans need to realize that if the illegal aliens were all deported tomorrow, produce, meat and hotel prices would go through the roof.

On the other hand, I agree that the illegal immigrants have no right to protest or complain. When they pay income tax, vote, participate in the PTA and serve on the School Board, City Counsel and jury duty, then they�ll have earned the right to complain and protest. The Hispanic people come to this country wanting the benefits of citizenship without the corresponding responsibilities. They�ve created a subculture that makes Americans uneasy, and rightfully so; who wants to feel like a foreigner in their own country?

When it comes down to it though, nothing is going to change. There will continue to be a large amount of illegal aliens in this country as long as the economic situations in Mexico and the USA continue to be so different. The illegal Hispanic aliens know that, even though they whine about how cold, uptight and racist Americans are, they have nothing to go back to in Mexico and will fight tooth and nail to stay here where they at least have a chance to survive and maybe even have a nice life.

Posted by: Ryan | April 27, 2006 07:47 PM

And it damn sure sounds great to me. I can weather the storm. I�ll pay twice as much for a salad, and re-fill my own damn water glass. A day without immigrants? Hell, I welcome it. Bring it on� stretch it out a few days. Let�s see how long they can take it. Keep your kids out of school and see what they get. How long will you be able to bunker in your overcrowded house until the rent money is due? To the dirty under-handed pricks trying to sneak in or lie and cheat their way in, screw you all. Go back the fuck where you came from be it Mexico, Cuba, Canada, Korea, or France and wait until you�ve gone through the motions to get in legally. If you are LEGAL, I have absolutely NO problem with you.

Posted by: Effum All | April 27, 2006 07:50 PM

Alot of you speaking hatred toward "illegals" have no idea and cannot seem grasp what hardships one goes thru to live maybe half as good as what your currently living. EFFUM ALL you probably got spoon fed all your life. Mommy and Daddy always supplying you with money..your spoiled little bitch. You wouldn't last a month doing half the jobs illegal immigrants due. Half of these illegals have paid taxes thru what is called a TIN number (I believe), it is designed to have those with no SSN to complete taxes every year. All you ignorant fucks need to remember these people built you home. Their sweat, their blood helped make you foundation. No let me clear something up...I am not for allowing all immigrants to come to america, but If you going improve the border along mexico due the same along canada. Allow amnesty to those here and due a better job of keeping more of them out. There is a problem but deporting hundreds and thousands, most of have been here longer then those reading this, that is a crime. This all started with them dam terrorist, latin americans don't come to North america to bomb people but to work, Work 9 out of 10 americans denied..so they had to turn to who will do it; and those that do it impact day to day lifes in business's, markets, etc.
I am tired of you dumb patriotic bullshit...especially since this country was built on lies, betrayal, and most importantly by hundreds and thousands of Illegal immigrants.

BITCHES....

Posted by: loyalty | April 27, 2006 08:14 PM

I think the Hispanic immigrants effort could be detrimental to all the other immigrant groups such as the European, Middle-Eastern, Asian and other immigrants. Because of it the majority of the fallout will be aimed squarely at the Latinos. I'm afraid they really are "biting the hand that feeds them" and will regret it.

Posted by: Rush | April 27, 2006 08:14 PM

Well "Loyalty", allow me to respond to your crack induced views. First off, I couldn't give a rat's fat ass how hard one has to work to live half as well as I do. But I'm not going to complain if I only work half as hard and live twice as well. Those are the breaks, and there's not a damn thing YOU can do about it. Fuck 'em. Fuck 'em hard... fuck 'em deep.

If you consider growing up the legitimate child of middle-class married parents, having regular medical checkups by a family physician, going to good public schools that weren't busting at the seams and enjoying my American capitalist pig lifestyle to be "spoon fed", well there you have it. Don't hate me because I had it. And yeah, Mom and Dad gave me a pretty good allowance for doing all the things a kid did to earn an allowance. While I did okay, Paris Hilton I ain't.

You don't know how long I would last doing a job an illegal immigrant does, because I don't know. What I do know is that it's a wide expanse of dire circumstances for me to cross before I ever have to give it any thought. Besides, Peppy Sanchez will beat me to it, anyway so why worry?

Funny you should mention my house. I had a licensed contractor make improvements on my home over the last few years. I'm sure a good deal of the work was probably done by Pancho, Lefty and his cousin Alberto. I paid the contractor good money, and would imagine the labor got taken care of, but it isn't really my problem is it?

Deal with it, fool. This is my motherfucking country. This is how I live. You on the other hand can get the fuck out on the next rocket ride. Be sure to take Madre with you.

Posted by: Effum All | April 27, 2006 08:58 PM

Ill start by saying sorry, I dont know HTML so this will more than likely show up as a huge rambling paragraph. You have got to be kidding me. When did this become a thread on "illegal *Place race here* immigrants"? There are by far, considerably more than JUST *place Race here* illegal immigrants. Again this thread, if you bothered to read the title is on "illegal immigrants". Perhaps you need to scroll back to the top and re-read the topic.

Whos Racist? Your ignorance and your seperation. Funny how I see the starter on here for singling out a race was, infact, a member of that race. Who singled out Hispanics from the immigrants? Who's singling out anyone? Its a Blanket statement "illegal immigrants". How did race suddenly get singled out? Honestly.

$4 an hour? Odd... Minimum wage is more than $5 in ALL states! If you are being paid $4 an hour, you are being paid under the table. If thats the case, technically, that's illegal too. For example. Tax evasion, you know..."Taxes"... part of your "Payment" (if you will) to be in and support this Country, and its Illegals and poor I should add. Also, no one forced you to settle for minimum wage anyhow. YOU choose that. How's this (including my banter) an immigration issue? its not...Moving on...

Im not about to walk into your home and say "Hey, I need a room, a Bath room, meals 4 times a day, laundry done and spending money" Thats abserd.

So is asking for, not only, "free rights", but additonal rights in a country you're not even part of (yet). Our government dosen't say "NO IMMIGRANTS". It says no to "ILLEGAL Immigrants". Keyword there being "Illegal".


This Country offers "Freedom", from the laws of another country. Not "Free rights". Why the hell does everyone misunderstand what "Freedom" means? People...its called Marketing.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketing) Our country wants people to come here. We're advertising "Freedom" as in "FREEDOM from YOUR countrys laws" Like if I went to amsterdam. Im "Free" to smoke pot. Here it's illegal. If I do it, its punishable by the laws of THIS country.

I'd never expect to enter a country and have that place speak my language, and give me free health care, nor even a program for me to work. If they do so be it, lucky me. If not, and If I choose to try and live there, Im also choosing to abide by their laws, and follow their procedures. If I dont like their procedure or find it too difficult I still have options. Lets say...oh I dunno...Go back to MY country, or try another. If I want out of mine so bad, I'll make sure I dont have to go back. But that in no way means another country HAS to give me what I want, I have to earn it, or choose another place to live.

Comments...

Ester ~
Now Hun, This is all my opnion, but...I highly doubt an employer would put their business at risk for "Racisim" accusations by allowing "Mexicans" off for the day. Imagine how much money they could be sued for over a "National" (ha!ha!) political protest that was organized like a bunch of . If your topic is on race, your on the wrong thread. This thread is on "illegal immigrants", again...not Illegal "Mexicans". Also Your the one who separated your race from everyone else, your thread shows you are uneducated in the entire topic, and only from word one to the last Period. Way to prove your point Ms. Racist.

Who Him ~
Your just weird. One moment you make perfect sence, the next Im like...Wha...What? Your prolly good conversation. Like 2 friends in one. Haha, Just kidding, you know what i mean.

Loyalty ~
I understand your protest. I may not agree, But you understand the topic. Thanks!

Eduardo ~
Kid...this isnt actually about "Im *place Race here* and proud." Come back when you understand what this is really about. Would Love your Input when you are educated on this topic.

John ~
Thank you for being specific. "Illegals".

Ryan ~
We are have to educate Illegal kids why exactly? Hell Man, we dont even educate our own.

All ~
I dont even LIKE politics. as a matter of fact I DISPISE it. Its just not my forte. Why the hell do I get it?!?!

Please. Lemme hear your feed back...

Posted by: Laughing At You | April 27, 2006 10:34 PM

Loyalty ~
Good lord man you are one unhappy hateful individual. You dispise the country you live in? Why are your HERE then. there are OTHER countries you can go to and be happy at. Not too LAZY, to travel are you? now that Doesnt mean you will always have a ride. Your a strapping young man, Im sure your strong legs work. Im just a scrawney chic. I've done it before, and I've done it just for fun. Now If I was as unhappy and hateful here as you sound. I'd make sure I "earn" my happiness and my walk my unhappy arse out of an unhappy place.

Posted by: Laughing At You | April 27, 2006 10:50 PM

Effmall ~
Although your rather Harsh and in your face about it. Good points on your opnion. Im not sittin here cryin over Some trillionaires thats like comparing apples to oranges. Not BooHoo I was born in the wrong tax bracket. I'm lookin at the topic and how it effects mee.

Posted by: Laughing At You | April 27, 2006 11:18 PM

Here's a thought...(to go with the countless others...)

What happens if the millions of illegals become legal?

Employers will have to pay all the "new" employee's a legal wage rather than what they paid under the table. The catch is that if another person comes along who speaks english, has transportation, and a high school degree and/or GED who do you think is going to get the job? If the employer is going to have to pay a full wage then he will probably not go with the person who barely speaks english, has little to no education, and has a way to get to work on their own rather than being picked up on the corner or in front of Home Depot.

If the ex-illegal has been able to keep his job...Congrats and welcome to America. You now have to pay taxes like the rest of us. OH...and don't think for a second that you won't have too or that employer will let you slide on like the old days. Especialy now that he is responsible for you legaly as an employer! He was paying you $4 an hour before don't think for a moment he's going pay a fine or go to jail for tax fraud to make you extra money. They didn't care about you as a person before they really wont now. Those taxes will come out of your check automaticaly and will probably amount to less than you were making under the table. Ah!!! America, gotta love it. You might just get $200 back at the end of the year.

My point is that the sad fact is that the only real reason ilegal immigrants have been allowed to stay for all these years is cheap labor they don't have to care about. I am not pointing this at any one race. It happens to all illegal immigrants...Latinos, Asian, European. etc...

Posted by: Beej | April 27, 2006 11:53 PM

I've realized I wrote a lot, and thank you for spending, even if its two seconds glancing at what I wrote. If it helps, you help me, and you wrote it with me, we sing the same song, even if we disagree!

Alright, hello.
For those against immigration, I would ask a question that is not being asked, and that is Why are all these people immigrating to the U.S. now, more so than ever, and why is it that they cannot get documentations and thus be legal? I can give you a hint. It is for economic reasons, but we know that, but why so much immigration now? Could it be the effects of NAFTA (yes) Could it be with economic injustices being carried out by Free Trade, aka Global Markets that undercut local markets, that push them out of business, thus destroying local economics, and filtering of the money into International/American corporations ( mmm yea ...) And leaving the people of such regions without any means to survive? and what if you could work really hard some place and you could have a plate of food every night, and you could send your children to school and have basic living conditions, that are being prevented by mainly corporations, and usually installed American pro-trade puppet governments, would you not go to that plate of food?

What did our ancestors do? some came for reasons similar, and some came as slaves...right?

Can you speak against such a people or peoples that have suffered so much? Knowing all they want is to work, and make a decent wage, and fall in love, and have a family… to live? If you’re against immigration, then look to Free Trade, American Imperialism, The World Bank and the Economic Globalization, and its effects. It is basic knowledge why immigrants come to the U.S.A., many of immigrants have no other choice, and many of them have family in the United States and cannot be with there loved ones. What will they do? They don't have the money to come here legally (witch is highly expensive and takes decades to receive such visas and residencies) What will they do. . . for love, for life? For a chance to be free from the economic restraints of economic globalization by a few companies that exploit people as slaves similar to that of America in the 1700s, and I'm not just talking Mexico, but the world. Why do you think Europe is facing this issue like a tidal wave, France is becoming black! Africans are coming to France faster than you can say “hola”. Why? Look to economics, and how it is being used on planet Earth, to increase Power and Wealth for those who have it. And the divide is growing quick even in "America". look at the CEOs of Exxon Mobile, look to the Walmarts, they are all around, growing power and strength to a new future where conquering the world isn't a dream, but a reality, and already in many ways has happened. And this is what globalization means, and we know, we as a people of this planet know that we cannot trust anyone with power, they are bound to be corrupt, and deeply sick, addicted to power, and do not understand life it self. Compassion, sorrow, love, and reality does not compute into their thoughts, CEOs, Governments, and anyone who posses power do not have this ability, and therefore need serious mental help.
The immigrant "issue" is only an effect of something more, something that proceeds any time in humanity. I believe that all immigrants are legal, no matter what the law says (that sounds funny, but think of who are making the laws!). There is a belief that Globalization and Free Trade are alright, as long as people don't feel that there home is the world. Money can immigrate, Armies can immigrate, but people trying to survive cannot. This is wrong. This is our planet and we, as humanity need to start acting like it, and get rid of power junkies that will suck us dry and leave us for dead with a hang over of a nuclear holocaust. I’m serious, and I know you are too. We need to do all we can to prevent this from happening.

with love,
Sam

Posted by: Sammy D | April 28, 2006 12:16 AM

Sorry that My message was repeat 3 times, I have never posed before. I didn'y know what I was doing. Dont read 3 times you'll not be greatly entertained.

Posted by: Sammy D | April 28, 2006 12:25 AM

Oh, one more thing, I live in Chicago, and if you know your history on May day, May 1st that is, then you realize the historic march.
1887 - 8 hour work day, the start, and if it was not for 1887 in Chicago, May first, life in the United States and the world might not exist with it's working class, middle class life styles.

Posted by: Sammy D | April 28, 2006 12:31 AM

Oh, one more thing, I live in Chicago, and if you know your history of May 1st, then you realize the historic march.
1887 - 8 hour work day, the start, and if it was not for 1887 in Chicago, May first, life in the United States and the World would not be the same. Oh, in 1887 the protesters, the heros of the birth of so many things, including the struggle towards the 8 hour work week, that we enjoy today was fought for by immigrants! immigrants! immigrants! at that time mainly German, Italian, and a mixture of Eastern European nations!

Immigrants! fighting for civil rights, not only for themselves, but for all peoples of the Americas! even you, me, and cosin Danny! This is a march not only for new immigrants, becouse we all are, but of civil and human rights! if your against humanity stay at home, or do whatever you do, but if you want to stand with humanity, if you are willing to walk, and be present at a historic day, that will reconnect people to a greater outlook, then go to the march and rallies on this, the First of March.

Posted by: Sammy D | April 28, 2006 12:46 AM

The more I read about the "Day without Immigrants", the angrier I get. I won't even go into the fact that most people now born here were born from people who were, at some time, LEGAL immigrants. Nor will I mention that the Constitution makes no guarantee of any kind to allow people to illegally enter the US and then stay. And no mention of either the fact that the world economy has changed, meaning the US doesn't need illiterate people with strong backs, like it did in the 1700's and 1800's. The Cato Institute's studies show that the number of immigrants with "very low educational levels" has been increasing. We don't need these people. We're better than that now. We need highly-educated workers, and for those whose intelligence and skills only allow them to do low-level jobs, we need decent wages for those people to allow them to lead a respectable life. Illegal immigrants push down wages for everyone. Citizens unfortunately want it all: cheap stuff, but no jobs lost to China. Cheap food, but no higher payment for farm workers. Cheap hotel rooms, but low-paid housekeepers. Trust me ... from my own work experience, I know that if you look for the highest level of skill in each job class and pay well for it, you get a better workforce. An illegal immigrant from any country who is willing to accept $4 or $5 an hour will never get you efficiency, a living wage for all, or anything else. If you add to that the fact that illegal immigrants, particularly, send back to their home countries BILLIONS of dollars, how is this a net benefit for the US economy? We are insane to let these people stay here. Take the hit for a year or two, raise wages, and you'll see legal immigrants and native-born citizens taking the jobs that "no one wants." It's not the work no one wants, it's the pay.

And as for the "day without immigrants" (which has really turned into a "day without illegal aliens or Hispanic workers", could all those people do a few more things for me and the country? Let May 1 be a day when no immigrant gets to call 911 for help of any kind. Let May 1 be a day when no immigrant is allowed to attend a public school or university. Make it a day when no immigrant receives hospital or emergency room treatment. Make it a day when they do not get subsidized transportation on buses. Make it a day when they cannot wire US$ out of the country. Make it a day when, magically, every school in America knows how many teachers and classrooms it would need if there were no illegal immigrants or children of illegal immigrants in classrooms. Make it a day when no illegal immigrants are involved in illegal activity (including crossing our borders). And as for the millions they want in the streets ... well, millions of Nazis supported harsh regimes against Jews by being out in the streets. An illegal act is not made legal just because a lot of people stand around in the streets and yell (probably not even in English). If a billion people supported something that was morally wrong, or illegal, does that make it right?

The US owes nothing to people who cross our borders illegally. The day has had its effect on me - I plan to contribute to the best organizations I can find fighting illegal immigration

Posted by: Miranda | April 28, 2006 11:48 AM

Most of the European immigrants from the past were treated far worse than the Mexicans could ever be treated.
The way I see it, if you want to become a citizen do it legally.
Go right ahead, take off monday!
It going to be nice to actually speak to a person at taco bell who speaks and understands ENGLISH!!
It's our way or the highway "Paco"!

Posted by: Sinister Plot | April 28, 2006 12:56 PM

Miranda - you GO girl! I totally agree with you. Ask me nicely, and with respect and I'll give you the shirt off my back. Don't DEMAND anything, especially if you're in my country illegally...as far as I'm concerned, although everyone is entitled to HUMAN rights, nobody has rights in this country to demand anything unless they are legal CITIZENS of this or any country. How dare you demand rights you aren't entitled to? Go back to your own country and demand whatever you want....if your country sucked so bad, I suggest you do what you can to change it from the inside, instead of ILLEGALLY coming to MY country and waiving your flag in my face while you DEMAND civil rights. Civil Rights entails CITIZENSHIP, which no illegal has. Do it the right way, and God bless you, but to come to MY country and DEMAND anything? Screw you.

Posted by: Texasredhed | April 28, 2006 01:09 PM

Miranda, isn't Miranada a latina name? and please don't insult the integrity of latinos by compairing them to Nazis. That was an outlandish point, that is spoken by hatred. I hope you can read your own writing and really see the hatefull language that you use. No matter what your opinion is, whelter you understand the issue of immigration or notor not, please show so integrity and respect for other people aand cultures.
Read your writing, and try to be swept away by hatred.

Posted by: Sammy D | April 28, 2006 05:49 PM

Miranda, isn't Miranada a latina name? and please don't insult the integrity of latinos by compairing them to Nazis. That was an outlandish point, that is spoken by hatred. I hope you can read your own writing and really see the hatefull language that you use. No matter what your opinion is, whelter you understand the issue of immigration or not, please show so integrity and respect for other people aand cultures.
Read your writing, and try not to be swept away by hatred.

Posted by: Sammy D | April 28, 2006 05:51 PM

Sammy D i respect your opinion/views...pro or cons this blog is not going to change nothing..all the supporters see you monday...the rest of you , see you in Hell.

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Posted by: STEVE FROM TEXAS | April 28, 2006 08:40 PM

I'm so sorry to disappont you, Sammy D. You seem so confused! To answer your points, if you're able to understand: a) Miranda is not a "latina" name, unless by that you mean its origin was Latin, a language that predated both the nations of Spain and Mexico, and the concept of being a "latina" by a thousand years or so. b) It is always popular to use the term "Nazi" or to draw comparisons with Nazis by anyone hoping to make a point, and it detracts from the real evil that they did. So I'll retract that and make a broader point - that no matter how many millions of people take to the street, it does't mean they're right.

I'll stick to the rest of my points. People in this nation respect and value the contributions of immigrants. People in this nation should NOT support people who come here illegally. Those people made a conscious and deliberate choice. They were not taken from their country and enslaved here. They were not transported here as prisoners to work here. Both those things happened here and in other countries. They made a conscious and deliberate decision to come here and take anything they could, because conditions in their own country were bad. That's worthy of sympathy, and worthy of our charity, and maybe worthy of our government reaching out to help those countries be less needy. But it doesn't mean that I have to support their "right" to be here, or their "right" to education, or their "right" to anything else. Citizens of any country have both rights and obligations, which are balanced. My country could, if needed, draft me or any other citizen. They could impose other requirements on me that as a citizen, I would have to obey, or LEGALLY work to change. An illegal immigrant has none of those obligations, and the Constitution of the US does not provide any right to immigrate, and certainly no right to break our laws and come here illegally. If you ignore the legal foundation of the country, then what else do you plan to ignore? Presumably the idea is that numbers make something right. Well, that's just wrong.

And also, Sammy D., I think your comments indicate that you are not a very capable reader. You are trying to infer that because I disagree with your point of view, I must not have respect for other people and cultures. That's untrue, and nothing I wrote would imply that. I understand you're clearly too sensitive to be a good reader, and like many people trying to "debate" this issue, you close your ears to anything you disagree with. But please tell me ... what culture supports breaking the laws? What culture says that people should get to steal and not be punished for the theft? What culture says that one group of people should be burdened with the problems of another group -not out of charity, but just BECAUSE the group with problems demands it? If you can find one, tell me about it ... and then I'll still disagree with them. Disagreement doesn't equal disrespect.

The "boycott" is so stupid. Hurt businesses all you want ... it's mainly business owners who WANT illegal aliens to come here. Businesses in construction, farm work, janitorial work, and many other low-skilled trades are glad to have illegal aliens here. They get to produce a cheaper product because of cheap labor, they don't have to hire someone born here who is unskilled but needs a job, and they don't have to provide benefits. Those of us who are legal immigrants or were born here get a good deal and a bad deal: we get cheap fruit, and cheap hotel rooms, and cheaper homes, and so on. Then we pay higher taxes to fund schools for the children of the illegals, and pay for language classes for them, and pay for their trips to the emergency room through higher insurance, and for the police to enforce the laws and the border patrol to watch the border. And the wages the illegals earn? Well, at $5/hour it's not much of a contribution to the GDP. They buy some food and clothes and used stuff, and that's nice, and then then send home $ to their families, where the money completely vanishes from the US economy.

It may be selfish, but yes, I would rather have unskilled people who are citizens of this country get a living wage to do work here, and pay some higher prices for the products, and overall have a better society, than have cheap strawberries and millions of unskilled illegal aliens, from any country, here. I have to put the welfare of my country above that of other countries. We needed strong backs in 1800. We need smart brains today. Harsh? Yes. But just because something is true, don't try and say it's hateful. The US doesn't need those illegal aliens. People who emigrate are on one of two sides of the ability scale: very highly-skilled, or unskilled. Middle class people from other countries aren't sneaking into the US, they are staying and being successful in their own countries. Highly skilled people - engineers and doctors and computer specialists and so on - come here for the challenge of the work and the life. Unskilled people come illegally ... because we have enough native born unskilled people to already constitute a social problem.

For all of you who can't seem to post a blog without profanity or saying that the other "side" is going to hell or something, I feel profound pity. This is a complicated issue, and very emotional. I admit to feeling deep anger over it. But I'm not feeling guilt-ridden, and I'm not hate-filled. Poor people in other countries deserve my charity, if I CHOOSE to give charity. They deserve the US's help, if we CHOOSE to help. But forcing us to do something just because they broke the laws and then don't like the consequences? I'll never support that. And as for Monday, you know what? I don't care how many fruit markets aren't open, or how many truckers stay off the roads, or how many people march. What will it do? Create a few traffic jams. Every business in the country has had to close for weather or an electical outage or 40 other things. This is the world's largest economy. Monday won't even be a blip on the radar - who cares if there aren't any strawberries at Vons or I have to wait in line an extra 10 minutes at some store? Big deal. But the hatred this is stirring up will be a lot harder to forget.

Posted by: Miranda | April 28, 2006 09:41 PM

A reply to "loyalty", who seems to think that the more profanity he or she can use, the better the point made. You suggest that we should do something with the Canadian border if we're also controlling the Mexican border? Well, sorry to burst your bubble of ignorance, but have you ever heard in your whole life of someone from Canada coming here illegally? You've turned this into an issue of illegal aliens from Mexico, and I agree they're the biggest problem. But Canada? Give me a break - that simply shows how stupid you are. Canadians are, by and large, well-educated and well-paid. They aren't pouring into the country and breaking our laws. I can't help it if Mexico has an antiquated political system, a hugely inefficient labor force, an over-regulated market, corruption everywhere, poor education, and so on. That's not my problem - it's the problem of Mexican citizens. And Mexican citizens should stay home and fix their own place first, before coming here illegally and then having the nerve to rant and protest about my opinions, or those of any other US citizen. Whether you, "loyalty" are a legal or illegal citizen, I don't know. But what I do know is that you are a profoundly ignorant person, with little education and a big mouth. No matter what country you're from, I doubt you're making much of a contribution in any way - social, economic, personal, or political.

Posted by: Boris | April 28, 2006 09:50 PM

To: Miranda,
Your lines of compassion,

"but the hatred this stirring up will be a lot harder to forget."

"We don't need these people"

My comment: Native Americans did not, by any means need the Europeans. And you are of European decent, I'm assuming? Your family entered without being “a legal" and never asked the Native Americans for permission to be a citizen? If they came "legal" (under European rule) after the land was stolen from the Native Americans, What happen to the Native Americans? ... Genocide. The worse thing that has ever happened and it keeps happening, I don’t know about us as people sometimes, Miranda. I think that if I was ever against immigration, it was European Immigration, and I was apart of the European Immigration (at least on my father’s side). But Immigrants today are of a different sort than the Europeans of the 1700s. They come not to kill or conquer, or as missionaries to save the Natives from themselves, nor are they slave owners. I’m sure there were and there were a lot of working class folks from Europe coming in the 1700s, and I’m sure there are a lot of similarities we can come up with, but lets not forget the dark past of America.
The immigrants of today come because their livelihood has been destroyed by colonization and Free Trade. They come because of U.S. terrorism, that the U.S. government has been responsible for (not the people, because if you're looking for democracy, don't look to the United States!) destabilizing and simple destroying their nation. They come because there are no other alternatives. My family (mom’s side) came here from, Poland. To stay in Poland would be death. In modern day, it is because of Globalization run by corporations looking for their profits and U.S. imperialism looking for power. I believed I wrote about this earlier.
I would like to state that YOU ARE NOT "SUPERIOR" (a Nazi or White Supremacist attitude) you seem to believe that you are entitled to more rights than any other persons of any other land or culture because you have been blessed by being of someone who is privileged by being born in the United States, and did you fight in any revolutions? No, you did not. The reason people are against immigration is that they do not understand the effects of globalization. That people of other nations that were previously colonized by European nations and the United States cannot have democracy because of the present U.S. intervention within their country. Look to Latin America for an example, start with Guatemala, move to Nicaragua, What about Haiti? then to Mexico, and don’t forget to look to all of the nations in South America. The main flaw in your argument is that there is no consideration, representation, or knowledge of globalization and the economic realities that comes with globalization and the affects that led it to starvation, poverty, of a people that gives a people no real choice but to immigrate into a society that they could literally survive in. This is why there are some much emotions behind this reality. It is impossible (unless of a global effort) to change the working conditions and better wages in foreign countries due to the U.S. government’s involvement and U.S. corporations control over them.
Wake up from your slumber! Please! The world needs you! I can tell you are a smart person and you know about what I’m saying! You have shown your whit, you can write and think! so look to the evidence, look to truth. Plug yourself into humanity and stop playing the nationalist game! We are one planet, one race, we are a people of this planet. So I will leave you with one question.
Can we as a people survive without killing and hating ourselves? or will we as a people commit suicide, and welcome the apocalypse as a mushroom cloud?

with love,
Sammy D

Posted by: Sammy D | April 29, 2006 12:00 AM

I will continue to question the U.S. government and their policies, questioning and holding them acountable for their crimes is as American as any one can be.

Posted by: Sammy D | April 29, 2006 12:05 AM

"What culture supports breaking the laws? What culture says that people should get to steal and not be punished for the theft? What culture says that one group of people should be burdened with the problems of another group -not out of charity, but just BECAUSE the group with problems demands it?" - Miranda

- a culture that can think and not judge, a culture that asks questions and tries to understand the "Why?" and not use such words as ?Evil? ? a culture that takes the time to understand why, and how we can, as a culture, reach a solution to the problems we have, without demonizing other people, without repeating injustices.

?b) It is always popular to use the term "Nazi" or to draw comparisons with Nazis by anyone hoping to make a point, and it detracts from the real evil that they did. So I'll retract that and make a broader point - that no matter how many millions of people take to the street, it does't mean they're right.? - Miranda

- This is demonizing other people as ?Evil? I?m glad you caught that, this is what not needs to happen in culture, nation, or people, because this type of dialogue leads to the ?Evil? that you speak of within ones own culture.

Please be aware, I mean no disrespect, I?m worried that too many of us in the United States are falling for this kind of language, and becoming something we are not. We are a people who feel that to help one another is the greatest quality one could have. I know it is difficult. I fight with myself everyday to keep strong, and not to become hateful. Hate is a trap, we must always be aware of it. We must, and mean must not let hate win within our voices and minds, we as people must strive to come to peace, within ourselves and within the world. - a culture without hate.

Posted by: Sammy D | April 29, 2006 12:56 AM

Sorry, Sammy D. Your arguments don't convince me of the need to allow people to break the law. The arguments that because people 200 or 300 years ago did something wrong (i.e. slavery or colonization) gives modern day people some kind of automatic rights are bad ones that lead to even worse decisions. Please don't bring up the outdated "Europeans killed the natives" argument - it's irrelevant. History from the dawn of time is filled with the history of the winners - the losers have, since man first stood up straight, been taken over or wiped out or had bad things happen to them. Does that mean I'd support slavery now? No - but I know enough history to know it wasn't just Europeans who had slaves. Native peoples on this continent conquered others and killed the losers or enslaved them. Africans sold the losers of battles to Portuguese slave traders or before that, killed or enslaved them. Jews were enslaved by Egyptians - read the Old Testament. None of that history is useful to support some idea that people illegally crossing the border today should get a handshake and a welcome! And you're saying European immigrants came to "kill or conquer"? A percentage did - but now YOU'RE the one making blanket statements or lying. In South America that was certainly true ... the Spanish and Portuguese came first for gold. In North America, settlers fled religious persecution and came to a very harsh place, where they worked hard. Did they displace native Americans? Yes, but as I just said, they weren't walking into Paradise. In the 18th and 19th and early 20th century, when the US needed strong backs, immigrants came and plowed the fields and worked in factories and saw their kids go to work at 5 and 6 years old. Ok ... so history shows there were bad things, and in this country anyway, things have improved. I can't help it that other countries are plagued by corrupt governments, by governments in love with outdated policies that keep their people in the 19th century.

I completely disagree that illegal aliens are coming here because their countries have been ravaged by globalization. I don't see Canadians coming here because of globalization! Or hordes of Europeans. Or Japanese. Or Israelis. And so on ... If you're talking about Latin America, don't blame the US - or at least, equally blame 400 years of Spanish influence. Countries and cultures that thought the only way to get rich was to pull gold out of the ground and whose religious culture encouraged a dogmatic obedience to authority (i.e. Catholicism vs Protestantism ... see the "Protest" in that religious name) ended up with dependent cultures that haven't been able to catch up. Mexico had an incredible opportunity to be even more growth-oriented by China ... on the borders of a super rich country, no distance barriers to trade ... and the Mexican government has routinely failed to take advantage of the opportunities.

As to your final question, I'll answer it with a "no". People are going to go on killing and hating ... that's in our human nature. It has been that way for 10,000 years. We can hope to develop an advanced enough civilization or enough social and religious controls so that we learn, by training and education, not to do those things. But will letting every person on the planet who is poorer in their own country than in the US come here somehow make the planet, or the US, a better place? Nope, not in my opinion. You and I will disagree on globalization, civilization, and illegal immigration forever, as far as I can tell. I'm willing to side with the US Constitution, and the written constitutions of most nations, which seek to keep out outsiders and protect their own people. I'm fine with that. Is it unfair that so much is dependent on where you were born, on accidents? Yes. That's life. We as people can work to change our own governments, which we created to bring social order to humanity, and that's it. I think it's sad that I wasn't born 6'8" tall with an ability to play basketball so I could be rich, or that I wasn't born with incredible music ability. There are so many things that are merely twists of fate that I could never hope to legislate against them all and improve them. But I think there is a better shot at creating that better and more orderly and humane world when people believe in laws, when people work with their OWN governments to bring about change, when people explore what is wrong in their OWN country first and make changes. Please don't say that I am slumbering or that I don't understand or that because I didn't fight in the 1776 revolution that I'm somehow not getting your point of view. I do get it - but I reject it. I think you're well-meaning, but wrong.

Posted by: Miranda | April 29, 2006 01:02 AM

I believe that we are not to consider mexicans in all aspects of what is afffecting immigrants. There are other immigrants too. I am one of them. I am sometimes forgotten in the news, in my culture because mexicans steal the show. if you don't know hispanics faced mexico in the united states, even if we are not from that country. if you watch the new in spanish, they are all about mexico, if you read the newspaper is all about mexico, all tv commercials are targetting mexicans. and most people speak a very bad spanish with a mexican accent. now immigration news are on, and they target the mexican immigrant.

I joined in solidarity with the rest of immigrants who want to tell their stories, because in a way we are left out by the mexican.

Posted by: Juan | April 29, 2006 02:04 AM

yes, I agree Mexican government is not doing anything. they support immigration to the US, but do you know what's so so... so... ironic. Immigrants who need to travel through mexico face hell. Mexican authorities treat immigrants in very humilating ways. And they are blaiming US for their acts of evil. Mexicans are demonds if they know you are not one of them in mexico. About US having nothing to do with Latin America's history. you need to read about it. In many ways americans are very ignorant about Latin America, and don't know much about the diversity of cultures in that region of the world thanks to the mexicans who make the latin american world all look like mexico.

Posted by: juan | April 29, 2006 02:14 AM

Americans,as such are all immigrants in the first place,if not colonists.....
i wonder why this hue and cry for the immigrants.

Posted by: tanvir | April 29, 2006 06:21 AM

Miranda,

"and whose religious culture encouraged a dogmatic obedience to authority (i.e. Catholicism vs Protestantism ... see the "Protest" in that religious name)"

Hah! I laughed out loud at that one. Ah, how the times have changed, no?

Posted by: Nicole | April 29, 2006 10:39 AM

Thank you Nicole.

Posted by: Sammy D | April 29, 2006 02:50 PM

Thank you Nicole.

Posted by: Sammy D | April 29, 2006 02:51 PM

I'm the grandson of immigrants, immigrants that cared enough about making their lives better to go through the proper channels to become legal citizens. Despite how difficult that process was or the heartships they faced in the interim, they knew doing things the right way instead of standing around bitching.

To all those immigrants who have such a problem with how you are treated in this country I have but one thing to say. "Illegal Immigrant". There are ways to come to this country and become a citizen WITHOUT doing it illegally. CAN YOU HEAR ME ALL 12 MILLION OF YOU!!!

There are perfectly legitimate ways to go about obtaining the legal right to be in this country. If you aren't going about that process and you are from another country (and not just a tourist)you are in violation of the law of this country. Period.

Gettin whiny and pissy and orginizing yourself like this is the second Civil Rights movement is assinine, this is not that fight.

To those folks on here who are immigrants, and who are enjoying shoving that prepackaged "what about us?" mantra down everyone's throats, bitch all you want, you're still breaking the law.

Posted by: Chris Montobello | April 29, 2006 03:44 PM

I'm the grandson of immigrants, immigrants that cared enough about making their lives better to go through the proper channels to become legal citizens. Despite how difficult that process was or the heartships they faced in the interim, they knew doing things the right way instead of standing around bitching.

To all those immigrants who have such a problem with how you are treated in this country I have but one thing to say. "Illegal Immigrant". There are ways to come to this country and become a citizen WITHOUT doing it illegally. CAN YOU HEAR ME ALL 12 MILLION OF YOU!!!

There are perfectly legitimate ways to go about obtaining the legal right to be in this country. If you aren't going about that process and you are from another country (and not just a tourist)you are in violation of the law of this country. Period.

Gettin whiny and pissy and orginizing yourself like this is the second Civil Rights movement is assinine, this is not that fight.

To those folks on here who are immigrants, and who are enjoying shoving that prepackaged "what about us?" mantra down everyone's throats, bitch all you want, you're still breaking the law.

Posted by: Chris Montobello | April 29, 2006 03:44 PM

I've worked for the same company for 11 years now.
Within this time I have worked closely with others from other countries. A South African gentlemen, a New Zealanders, and a Latino. The South African had a work visa who later became a citizen of the USA. The New Zealander's work visa ran out and was here illegally. He continued to work with my employers with false paper work. He later sought a lawyer and became a citizen as well. My Latino friend who was illegal, had the same opportunities as the other 2 gentlemen. The South African gentleman drove him down to a lawyer to help with his citizenship. He refuse after finding it would have cost him $5,000 in paperwork and fees.
My Latino friend had came across the border 4 times within that 11 years he's worked for us. Even though he had fake documentation he wasn't making $4.00 and hour. He made $12.00 at that time. He didn't have to work in the sun, he screwed around all day indoors with the rest of us lazy Americans.

The problem here is he would disappear about every two years back to Mexico. Then he would pay $1,000 to $2,500 to people who would sneak him across the border. Then end up back on our doorstep wanting a job again.
The money he wasted crossing the border could have easily have been spent for legal assistance to become a citizen.

He is now back in the states again for a 5th time. And is inquiring for work with my employers. I spoke in favor of my friend to come back and work. But my employers have had enough. They need a dependable worker for the long term.
And it's hard to employ someone who is illegal now, it's just not worth the fines.
My friend who has been married had two children born in the states. And learning his family is back in Mexico on his 5th return without them, definitely tells me he won't be here that long again.

Unfortunately, this situation happens allot. A citizen of Mexico will work as long as he can in the states. Sending some money back to Mexico and later returning to Mexico without ever trying or becoming a US citizen.
This I don't agree with and angers me. As a US citizen who works and pays taxes I feel used. And so do allot of other Americans. Maybe someone can educate me on this behavior.

Posted by: Mike | April 29, 2006 05:39 PM

America is from the patagonia to alaska so are en American?They call us illegal alien "different Planet" I do not think so, we are getting back what was taken.
Donot forget that you may be the son or daughter of an immigrant.We are just taking the iniative for you, join us

Posted by: herb | April 29, 2006 05:41 PM

I just want to say that Miranda is a credit to women all across America.

Posted by: mel | April 29, 2006 06:07 PM

I just want to say that Miranda is a credit to women all across America.

Posted by: mel | April 29, 2006 08:23 PM

Attention all street Pharmacists. June 1, 2006 will be a day without Drug Dealers. There will be a national boycott all throughout the U.S.A Please attend and support our causes. The local police departments will have less work, court systems will shut down early due to lack of cases, and our children will be alot safer. Please support our causes.

Posted by: MrGetzMine | April 30, 2006 10:45 AM

Wow, great topic since it touches so many lives. 12 million people living in a country illegally, pretty amazing! Do any of you against the right for these people to be in America honestly think they can be deported?? Good luck!

I think that the fact is that this influx of people has been happening because America has wanted these people (well, business anyway). If this is not true, why is this topic being debated at such a late stage? The people didn't all arrive last week.

If you are against the illegal immigrant, blame the government for not controlling the borders or working with the other countries to control this. Blame exploitation of companies on workers. Don't blame the people.

If you are proud of America and happy with the country you are now living in, accepting people who are currently living with you shouldn't be such a big deal.

Posted by: Bdan | April 30, 2006 12:16 PM

I love the US. I think the thing that is so great is we can say and do as we please. FREEDOM!!! It is clear to me that some of you do not realize that MOST country's don't allow citizins to say and do as they please without consequences. People risk their lives "not only Mexicans" to come here and be free and help others at home, and provide for their family's. Dear people don't you think if they could come legally they would? Why would they risk everything to come here if it was so easy to come safely with the proper papers? Because, Their country's have made it impossiable. Think about it.

Posted by: sheree | April 30, 2006 05:36 PM

I love the US. I think the thing that is so great is we can say and do as we please. FREEDOM!!! It is clear to me that some of you do not realize that MOST country's don't allow citizins to say and do as they please without consequences. People risk their lives "not only Mexicans" to come here and be free and help others at home, and provide for their family's. Dear people don't you think if they could come legally they would? Why would they risk everything to come here if it was so easy to come safely with the proper papers? Because, Their country's have made it impossiable. Think about it.

Posted by: Sheree Perez | April 30, 2006 05:37 PM

Like it or not 11 million immigrants are living in the US without papers. The only logical thing to do is legalize them. Provide them with a path to citizenship and collect taxes from them. Making them felons is just about the stupidest thing i have ever heard. What would we do next? Put them in jail? Not very practical. This country can't accomplish tasks a lot easier than rounding up 11 million people and jailing or deporting them.
Additionally, it is my opinion that the government is making tons of money on human smuggling. I personally know boarder patrol officers who are not allowed to do their job of stopping people crossing into this country...And i wonder why?

Posted by: enricco palazzo | April 30, 2006 07:06 PM

Like it or not 11 million immigrants are living in the US without papers. The only logical thing to do is legalize them. Provide them with a path to citizenship and collect taxes from them. Making them felons is just about the stupidest thing i have ever heard. What would we do next? Put them in jail? Not very practical. This country can't accomplish tasks a lot easier than rounding up 11 million people and jailing or deporting them.
Additionally, it is my opinion that the government is making tons of money on human smuggling. I personally know boarder patrol officers who are not allowed to do their job of stopping people crossing into this country...And i wonder why?

Posted by: enricco palazzo | April 30, 2006 07:07 PM

I'm really looking forward to tomorrow:



I'll be able to get up 20 minutes later since the freeways in LA will be EMPTY!



I bring my lunch as usual, so no worries about not being able buy food!



We have a large number of immigrants in our office but most aren't Hispanic so I'm betting we'll be mostly staffed.



And after work, I can go to the gym and I won't have to wait to work out on any of the machines.



Maybe we should start a new movement called 'Yes we can.' We've become a too reliant on others to do things on the cheap. So as usual,



I'm mowing my own lawn.
Cleaning my own house.



Can they have a reprise of this rally on a weekend?



I'd love to go to a park in LA and not have to get there at a ridiculous hour to get a picnic table for lunch. And there wouldn't be litter all over the place.



Ah, life would be so sweet!

Posted by: Mark C | April 30, 2006 07:12 PM

I think both sides of the argument are interesting, but has anyone even thought of how our government (INS) is incapable of keeping up with the backlog of request. I've heard of people on the list just to become residents being 15+ years long (not to mention becoming a Citizen). The system is broken down and the Mexicans are just working around it. As for the march on May 1, go for it, as African-Americans did decades ago. A stand has to be taken & there is no better time than now. I believe that this is just the first round. In future rounds economies will be changed, republicans will have less seats in the House & Senate, maybe even the future President's post will be changed. Paco might just be your tax paying law abiding neighbor. Hee Heee Heee

Posted by: ms | April 30, 2006 09:34 PM

get real, anyone that is educated logical and sensible is against illegal immagration.
deport illegals!

legal immagrants welcome to america get a job don't be a tax on the system like our illegal population.
to heck with the pro-illegal supporters they are truely demented folks.

why do illegals want to come here to destroy america. send them back.
signed a second generation american.
p.s none of your foolish ill-logic will work to convince me we need illegals. they are criminals and no more then that and should go back to mexico.
all mexicans support is our privatized prison system. mexicans are the bulk of the violent dangerous criminals on america or they they give birth to them.

Posted by: realistic | April 30, 2006 11:43 PM

get real, anyone that is educated logical and sensible is against illegal immagration.
deport illegals!

legal immagrants welcome to america get a job don't be a tax on the system like our illegal population.
to heck with the pro-illegal supporters they are truely demented folks.

why do illegals want to come here to destroy america. send them back.
signed a second generation american.
p.s none of your foolish ill-logic will work to convince me we need illegals. they are criminals and no more then that and should go back to mexico.
all mexicans support is our privatized prison system. mexicans are the bulk of the violent dangerous criminals on america or they they give birth to them.

Posted by: realistic | April 30, 2006 11:43 PM

ever notice these mexican rights groups sound just like the national socialist of germany? THESE MEXICANS ARE RACISTS! they hate white (never knew white was a race till i heard these bigoted mexican twats tell me so since i have seen pleanty of white skinned hispanics nad blacks and tons of tan and black skinned caucasians) people and black people, american people.

were not stupid america knows your the real racists you illegal scum
signed a spanish desented human being..

Posted by: realistic | April 30, 2006 11:58 PM

Hello, I am a U.S. Citizen and I will be joining the so called (day without immigrants) I was an illegal alien once, so I am doing it not because I am still illegal, I do it because I support them, and let me tell you all (you stupid $ 5.00 Dollar an hour white illiterates) I do not make $ 5.00 an hour like most of you do, and I did pay taxes while I was a wet back, continue to pay taxes now and will always pay taxes,
What a lot of people don't know is that even if you are an illegal alien you are still paying taxes, and about the poor devils working out of the 7-11 or the home depot parking lot they get ripped off by white,black, or mexican contractors, *that don't pay them* it doesn't really matter who is doing the screwing they all take advantage of them, (the illegals).
But let me tell you that what goes around comes around, and yes you should support the illegals getting their legal status changed, another thing about getting free hospital care and putting a burden on social services by the illegals, how stupid of anyone to even say it, you can not get them to spit at you if you do not have a social security or a green card, (the social services will always check that the documents are legal) so, don't throw that stupid line around.
For the most part, the people who say things like that are the ones without knowledge about the issues or people who are filled with racist hate.
GOD BLESS YOU ALL

Posted by: Pancho | May 1, 2006 12:01 AM

americans are races and thats not fair cause we mexicans have the right to stay here cause you'll americans dont belong here cause this is the indians land so you'll have to go back from where you'll came from like us and i hate the president like he hates us the mexicans!!semos illegales y no criminalas!!!!im proud to be a mexican que viva la raza!!!GO GO MEXICO!!

Posted by: none of your business | May 1, 2006 12:41 AM

americans are races and thats not fair cause we mexicans have the right to stay here cause you'll americans dont belong here cause this is the indians land so you'll have to go back from where you'll came from like us and i hate the president like he hates us the mexicans!!semos illegales y no criminalas!!!!im proud to be a mexican que viva la raza!!!GO GO MEXICO!!

Posted by: none of your business | May 1, 2006 12:43 AM

I WILL RESPOND TO THE COMMENT ABOVE, NOT ALL AMERICANS ARE RACIST, YES I DO BELIEVE THAT YOU MEXICANS AS FOR ANY OTHER IMMIGRANT SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE HERE, BUT YOU ARE DAMAGING YOUR IMAGE BY STATING THAT THIS IS THE INDIAN LAND AND WE ALL HAVE TO GO BACK, PLEASE READ YOUR HISTORY BOOK, MEXICAN PRESIDENT WHO WAS FROM SPAIN SOLD THIS COUNTRY TO THE AMERICANS FOR A PRICE, THEY BOUGHT AND IT'S THIERS, SO WHAT.... NOW I ASK YOU MY DAD WAS BORN IN AMERICAN AND MY MOM WAS BORN IN COLUMBIA, AND I WAS BORN IN AMERICAN, AND YOUR TELLING US TO "GO BACK FROM WHERE YOU'LL CAME FROM" WHERE SHOULD I GO IF I WAS BORN HERE?

Posted by: AMERICAN | May 1, 2006 01:06 AM

I WILL RESPOND TO THE COMMENT ABOVE, NOT ALL AMERICANS ARE RACIST, YES I DO BELIEVE THAT YOU MEXICANS AS FOR ANY OTHER IMMIGRANT SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE HERE, BUT YOU ARE DAMAGING YOUR IMAGE BY STATING THAT THIS IS THE INDIAN LAND AND WE ALL HAVE TO GO BACK, PLEASE READ YOUR HISTORY BOOK, MEXICAN PRESIDENT WHO WAS FROM SPAIN SOLD THIS COUNTRY TO THE AMERICANS FOR A PRICE, THEY BOUGHT AND IT'S THIERS, SO WHAT.... NOW I ASK YOU MY DAD WAS BORN IN AMERICAN AND MY MOM WAS BORN IN COLUMBIA, AND I WAS BORN IN AMERICAN, AND YOUR TELLING US TO "GO BACK FROM WHERE YOU'LL CAME FROM" WHERE SHOULD I GO IF I WAS BORN HERE?

Posted by: AMERICAN | May 1, 2006 01:06 AM

I WILL RESPOND TO THE COMMENT ABOVE, NOT ALL AMERICANS ARE RACIST, YES I DO BELIEVE THAT YOU MEXICANS AS FOR ANY OTHER IMMIGRANT SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE HERE, BUT YOU ARE DAMAGING YOUR IMAGE BY STATING THAT THIS IS THE INDIAN LAND AND WE ALL HAVE TO GO BACK, PLEASE READ YOUR HISTORY BOOK, MEXICAN PRESIDENT WHO WAS FROM SPAIN SOLD THIS COUNTRY TO THE AMERICANS FOR A PRICE, THEY BOUGHT AND IT'S THIERS, SO WHAT.... NOW I ASK YOU MY DAD WAS BORN IN AMERICAN AND MY MOM WAS BORN IN COLUMBIA, AND I WAS BORN IN AMERICAN, AND YOUR TELLING US TO "GO BACK FROM WHERE YOU'LL CAME FROM" WHERE SHOULD I GO IF I WAS BORN HERE?

Posted by: AMERICAN | May 1, 2006 01:07 AM

I have read all the things people said in this page, and well i?m not in America and i think the mayority has the wrong idea of why the inmigrants are doing all this. I think they only want respect, as we all deserve, not because they are not legal doesn?t mean they don?t deserve respect. There are a lot of people that leave their country for a "better life" and they get there and work like animals; this doesn?t mean they should be treated like saints because obviously noone is forcing them, but they do it to give something better to their families. People might be indiferent to this or think that this is a big mistake, but maybe we should put ourselvs in their shoes, just for a second, right now inmigrants are having a hard time and they are fighting to get better, don?t we all fight for what we want, for things that we know will make our life better. Inmigrants are being treated like criminals and i don?t think that?s fear, we all need from others, and some Americans might think that inmigrant=problems, just think that some day you might need something from other country and there wont be any help. Remember the movie "The day after tomorrow"?,where all the americans had to move to Mexico, they were desperate to move to Mexico, well i know is only a movie, but there?s a clear example that some day America will need help from other country, maybe not on that same way, but there?s always good times and bad times, so lets respect what the inmigrants are fighting for because you never know when you will have to fight for something. Why don?t you all let the government work things out, you have nothing to lose, and just respect them, you wont help or change things by getting all pissed and insult people. just relax and wait for the response from government, i bet they wont ask YOU what would you like to happen, so relax and wait to see how it feels to have "A day without inmigrants" then you can give your point of view.

Posted by: wow | May 1, 2006 02:03 AM

I am an immigrant. An immigrant who carries a green card. If you came her illegally, you're not an immigrant. Call yourself what you are ---illegals. Yes you provide a lot for the economy, but you have no right to demand anything. If I came to your home uninvited, who am I to make demands? Everyone who comes here, (USA) come for a better life. Be grateful. You get free educaion and health care which citizens and non-illegals pay for. In the countries of your birth, you COULD NOT have these mass protests with demands, because you would be teargassed, arrested or just ignored.
To the person who said Americans don't belong here, is as ignorant as they come. Why don't he/she throw out the Spanish people (originally from Spain) their colonizers from their countries. It obvious this person needs a serioius history lesson. Instead of protesting, do some reading.

Posted by: not an american | May 1, 2006 02:56 AM

Are you people serious? Illegal immigrants are putting such a hardship on this country. It's hard for me to find work because an illeagal will work for $3.00 an hour off the books. There children are going to our schools for FREE! We have high taxes to pay because they don't pay taxes.

What about social security? When its time for me to retire there will be nothing left. So many illeagals are working and NOT PAYING INTO SOCIAL SECURITY! These people are raping the system. I hope that while they are protesting and doing their marches the department of immigeration comes and picks them up and deports them back to wherever they come from.!!

YOU WANT TO STAY HERE? PAY YOUR TAXES!

Posted by: Bobbi Mohrle | May 1, 2006 08:06 AM

A day without illegal aliens jumping our borders, taking our jobs (yes we WILL do them), sucking our social service system dry, jabbering away because they refuse to speak English and blaring their Godforsaken music. Can we AMERICAN CITIZENS please have more days like that.

Posted by: getout | May 1, 2006 09:26 AM

Bobbi: the only reason they are getting your job is because you are white trash, probably a high school drop out or some idiot who never got an education, otherwise you will not complain about a job that does not pay more than $ 8.00 bucks an hour.
And you are saying that they need to pay social security so that you can collect it, (it sounds to me like you are on welfare or some kind of social program) find a job that pays more than minimal wage (you are white or born here) so why work for $ 8.00 or $ 10.00 an hour) I'm a wet back and I was making $ 12.00 an hour before you could walk, so obviously I can do better than a lot of you "those that I consider trash of the U.S.A."

Posted by: Pancho | May 1, 2006 09:37 AM

As an American citizen I find it highly uncomfortable in having American policy dictated to me by people who are illegal aliens. Before all this walkout protest I was okay with illegal aliens in this country. That has now changed. I will conduct my own protest as I will not do business with any company that supports this foreign protest or hires illegals. I will also not support any Mexican companies.

Posted by: Doug Michael | May 1, 2006 09:51 AM

the older i get ...the more conservative i get...whatever happened to GET IN LINE???? if we enforced the labor laws the employers should get stiff fines.....the labor... ie ..illegals would go back to their country.... there are alot more than 11m undocumented workers here ....we should make the rules so that illegals can't get drivers license...can't rent shelter...can't ride the metro without showing workink papers...can't attend school...no welfare....the ones that came here illegally and had kids....should have thought about having to face deportation and the decision to leave their kids .... the illegals that say we are a nation of immigrants... they forgot the words we are a nation of LEGAL immigrants...as far as my house being built by mexicans...only 13% of workers are mexicans...maybe that is why 13% of the homes are substandard!!!! they don't come here to become citizens..there are enough LEGALS to work the jobs that don't pay much...there is a farm workers program to deal with migrant workers.... i say welcome to our country ...JUST GET IN LINE!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: mateo | May 1, 2006 10:18 AM

It really is a great day. Everyday should be a day without immigrants. The traffic is lighter on the roads. When I go to the store, nobody expects me to speak Spanish. Too bad the free clinics and county hospitals couldn't have benefited from this day as well.

Posted by: Amy | May 1, 2006 10:38 AM

The problem is these damn illegals THINK they deserve what they are here for and too many sympathisers agree with them. The Bill of rights and our Constitution apply ONLY to CITIZENS. We were founded on Immagrants, yes. BUT too many of these Illegals have no intrest in becoming Citizens, therein lies thw problem. I have no problem with anyone coming here from another country for a better life IF they do it the right way. My grandfather stood in line at Ellis Island on both sides of the family. They didn;t sneek under fences, hide in ships or otherwise cheat to get here. They came here proudly. The LEARNED ENGLISH proudly. They wanted to be an American and did everything they could to do so. These Immagrants, and Mexicans and Brazillians are the main topic because